# Unarmed Man Shot by Deputies Inside His Own Car Outside His Own Home **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 29, 2013, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834 "2013-07-29T18:27:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/41 "2013-07-30T14:52:36Z")
The RCMP in Canada have a much stricter standard. You have to come at them, [brandishing a stapler](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dzieka%C5%84ski_Taser_incident#Incident). ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/42 "2013-07-30T14:55:19Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > The RCMP in Canada have a much stricter standard. > > You have to come at them, [brandishing a stapler](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dzieka%C5%84ski_Taser_incident#Incident). In their defense, the stapler _was_ loaded. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/43 "2013-07-30T15:07:56Z")
Smoking is dangerous, very dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/44 "2013-07-30T15:17:46Z")
> [@ducati](#): > > My wish with any case like this is that the investigation be allowed to be completed before everyone jumps to conclusions. Cops, investigating other cops. I’m sorry but history has lead to not have faith in that. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/45 "2013-07-30T15:37:13Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > I don’t get a pie chart when I click on that link. Do I select the “job openings” link? Thats odd. When I use that link from my phone it goes direct to article but on my computer it goes to some index page then forwards me to the article I meant. Let’s see if this works: [pie chart image](http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/november/report-on-law-enforcement-officer-deaths-released/image/percent-of-543-officers-feloniously-killed-chart-large) ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/46 "2013-07-30T16:04:43Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Thats odd. When I use that link from my phone it goes direct to article but on my computer it goes to some index page then forwards me to the article I meant. Let’s see if this works: > [pie chart image](http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/november/report-on-law-enforcement-officer-deaths-released/image/percent-of-543-officers-feloniously-killed-chart-large) Yup, that worked. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/47 "2013-07-30T16:04:58Z")
Tactical situation 7.0% Is how I slice a piece of pumpkin pie for myself. Disturbance call 12.7% Is how I slice a piece of apple pie for myself. Arrest situation 22.5% Is how I slice a piece of strawberry rhubarb pie for myself. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/48 "2013-07-30T18:18:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Deaf, naked and sopping wet stepping out of a bathtub. Of _course_ they tasered him-nobody could find a plugged in radio to drop into the tub. We had a similar one of those [too](http://www.jameslavin.com/articles/2010/06/07/police-assault-sick-naked-man-for-breathing-while-black/). This guy had the nerve to be black, naked, sick and on his own toilet in Vermont – he had to be taken care of. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/49 "2013-07-30T18:47:27Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 17 shell casings found. Presumably the deputies were less than 40 feet away, yet they didn’t kill him with 17 shots fired. They need training in more than one area of law enforcement, although frankly I don’t want either (any?) of these guys with a badge or a gun ever again. > [@Ethilrist](#): > > Police are now claiming the 60-year-old man lunged at them, which is why they had to fire 17 rounds, hitting him in the leg once. > > [http://www.pnj.com/article/20130729/NEWS11/130729006/Mother-of-man-shot-in-his-front-yard-speaks-out](http://www.pnj.com/article/20130729/NEWS11/130729006/Mother-of-man-shot-in-his-front-yard-speaks-out) Sounds like we need to get [Poot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHPPYNYOy-I) on the case. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/50 "2013-07-30T19:04:22Z")
What strikes me as odd - you have a shooting - police are on the scene - why is the FAMILY finding shell casings in the garage. Isn’t the the sort of thing where you lock down the location and bring in internal affairs to find the shell casings so that you have some clue what happened and so you can cover your own butt in the inevitable suit? Right now we have two police officers who will swear they were lunged at (whether they are covering each other’s butts or telling the truth will be very difficult to tell) and a family and victim who claim no such thing, but claim to have found SEVENTEEN shell casings (why would you even need to shoot seven times? I suspect that its seven and the family misspoke or it was misreported, seven at least seems within the realm of probability.) ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/51 "2013-07-30T19:06:29Z")
Shooting a pistol is very hard. Shooting a pistol when you’re hopped up on adrenaline is harder. They shot until he went down, probably, which means it took them a dozen shots to hit him and then a few more to cool off before they realized that he was hit. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/52 "2013-07-30T19:08:16Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > What strikes me as odd - you have a shooting - police are on the scene - why is the FAMILY finding shell casings in the garage. Isn’t the the sort of thing where you lock down the location and bring in internal affairs to find the shell casings so that you have some clue what happened and so you can cover your own butt in the inevitable suit? > > Right now we have two police officers who will swear they were lunged at (whether they are covering each other’s butts or telling the truth will be very difficult to tell) and a family and victim who claim no such thing, but claim to have found SEVENTEEN shell casings (why would you even need to shoot seven times? I suspect that its seven and the family misspoke or it was misreported, seven at least seems within the realm of probability.) Good question. The bullet holes should prove less dismissable, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![llcoolbj77](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@llcoolbj77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/llcoolbj77)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/53 "2013-07-30T19:23:35Z")
We just had a shooting [here](http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/investigation-of-costco-shooting-continues/2013/05/30/f23736a4-c96b-11e2-9245-773c0123c027_story.html). I know the cops involved (its a small jurisdiction). The investigation is ongoing, and it wil be interesting to see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/54 "2013-07-30T19:38:00Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > why is the FAMILY finding shell casings in the garage. Probably too much gunpowder smoke immediately after the police incursion. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/55 "2013-07-30T21:35:32Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Maybe they fired 17 warning shots. [Heck, sometimes it takes 41 bullets to really get the job done](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo_shooting). A proud day for law enforcement, a proud day for the N.R.A. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/56 "2013-07-30T23:58:18Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > We had a similar one of those [too](http://www.jameslavin.com/articles/2010/06/07/police-assault-sick-naked-man-for-breathing-while-black/). This guy had the nerve to be black, naked, sick and on his own toilet in Vermont – he had to be taken care of. Aww man, that one made me cry a little. Poor man ☹ ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/57 "2013-07-31T00:03:45Z")
They must have thought his penis was a gun. Big, black, and ready to shoot. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/58 "2013-07-31T00:37:55Z")
Mines a lil single shot derringer. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/59 "2013-07-31T03:19:23Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > Aww man, that one made me cry a little. Poor man ☹ Hell, someone called the cops when my (black, male) friend was moving into his apartment in Hanover. They came and sat and watched him move his stuff…in. Nice progressive college town. :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834.md?page=2)