# Unban Satan! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 7, 2003, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118 "2003-01-07T07:06:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/342 "2003-01-10T00:32:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SoulFrost \* > It was only intended (mostly, anyway) in fun. ROTFLMAO! šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/343 "2003-01-10T00:35:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Arnold Winkelried \* > **Yes David Iā€™m getting seriously pissed off here.** Err, David? Run for your life. The last time Arnold used those words, medieval gardening implements were inserted in unnatural places. ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/344 "2003-01-10T00:39:01Z")
**Gaudie** ā€¦ read the post in question. Itā€™s obvious that **Brian** did not mean to call anyone a weasel. He also states in his LJ, quite clearly, that he doesnā€™t remember much from that time. **Arnold** ā€¦ Man, look-- Iā€™m not saying that **Brian** didnā€™t deserve to be banned. He did. He was out of control and angry, and he crossed the line far too many times. So donā€™t be pissed-- Iā€™m just saying that the ā€œofficial reasonā€, as given by **Ed** , looks a little off-center. Think Iā€™ll bow out of this for the nightā€¦ -David ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/345 "2003-01-10T00:39:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Arnold Winkelried \* > \*\*Itā€™s not because of the dogpiles. As Gaudere and I each said, we donā€™t like to do it because it looks like picking on someone after they canā€™t defend themselves. \*\* Oh sure, I agree; and for the record, I understood what you were saying. What I failed to express clearly (or for that matter, at all) was that I donā€™t normally consider the mods (human as they are) to unfairly post against a banned member simply for vendetta purposes. Mods are chosen in part because of their level-heads (and their wonderful and unique bribes Pia Zadora/_Butterfly_-style, as has been mentioned before), so I suppose I expect fairness from them (reasonably so). See, I was more worried about the rest of us bums who, at times, fail to withhold our inner Mommy Dearests. Now, let me go put away my clothes hanger. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/346 "2003-01-10T00:43:00Z")
> [@](#): > > The last time Arnold used those words, medieval gardening implements were inserted in unnatural places. Unā€¦ un_natural_ places? Surely you donā€™t meanā€¦ uh oh ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/347 "2003-01-10T00:46:31Z")
Yes. Switzerland. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/348 "2003-01-10T00:47:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SoulFrost \* > donā€™t be pissed Why would I be pissed? You mean because you say things like this? > [@](#): > > I canā€™t fault him for viewing some, if not all, of the SDMB mods in this very bad light. ā€¦ It is in no way surprising that he doesnā€™t trust many of youā€¦ Now why would that piss me off? I should be thanking you on bended knee for saying weā€™re untrustworthy. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/349 "2003-01-10T00:47:51Z")
Yes - the back of a Volkswagen. :eek: Esprix ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/350 "2003-01-10T01:11:15Z")
Oh jeezā€¦ **Arnold** , this is going nowhere. I never said that. Take a deep breath and do this: Pretend that you had just been banned from here, a place you love. Now, pretend that the official reason contained at least one untruth. Ok-- how would _you_ feel? Outraged? Betrayed? Targeted unfairly? While you may be built of sterner stuff, a good number of us might very well go vent about it elsewhere. Which is why you should take what I said in context and overlook what was said in the LiveJournal. -David ---
**Author:** ![porcupine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ac91a4/32.png) [@porcupine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/porcupine)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/351 "2003-01-10T01:17:02Z")
> [@](#): > > While you may be built of sterner stuff, a good number of us might very well go vent about it elsewhere. > > Which is why you should take what I said in context and overlook what was said in the LiveJournal. Youā€™d vent about it two years later? ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/352 "2003-01-10T01:23:23Z")
It would have been nice if somehow the folks in charge could have found it in their hearts to have given Brian one more chance. Come on guysā€¦canā€™t we all just get along? Tolerating the likes of me doesnā€™t seem to cause a lot of heartache and Brian is merely a fraction of the ass that I am and he is also a much more valuable contributor. It could work. ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/353 "2003-01-10T01:24:04Z")
Maybe. If I were still pissed about it, and I was still marginally connected to the community (so I could see what I was missing,) then yeah, maybe. Iā€™ve known people to hold grudges much longer than two years. -David ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/354 "2003-01-10T01:25:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by porcupine \* > \*\*Youā€™d vent about it two years later? \*\* I might if someone else brought it up, and there was a big ā€œthingā€ being made of it. ---
**Author:** ![Drastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Drastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drastic)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/355 "2003-01-10T01:25:58Z")
I would just like to demand that a new area of the board be created, where a full dossier on every banned member will go. Also, I demand colorful pie charts and various graphs to demonstrate and exactly quantify the metrics used in each banning, in order to analyze banning trends. Could you get that done by Monday? Great, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![reprise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@reprise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reprise)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/356 "2003-01-10T01:28:15Z")
Am I the only person here who is disturbed by the fact that while this thread is about **Satan** , his wishes about how the matter is dealt with are being disregarded? Heā€™s already stated elsewhere that he has zero desire to be part of a public drama over the issue of his re-instatement (and has already stated himself that he pushed the envelope to the extent his banning was understandable). So now we have a situation where a ā€œpublic dramaā€ has arisen against the wishes of the person most affected by the issue at hand, and where the admins feel they have to justify an almost 2 year old decision which **Satan** himself accepts without rancour. Thereā€™s something very wrong with this picture. ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/357 "2003-01-10T01:43:32Z")
Very good point, **Reprise**. Sometimes our pals donā€™t want our helpā€¦ I forget that from time to time. So Iā€™m out of this. **Arnold** , **Gaudy** ā€¦ Iā€™d like you to know that I hold each of you in the highest esteem. You do a difficult and often thankless job, and I should have been clearer in my posts of ā€œwell, look at this from **Brianā€™s** point of viewā€ (especially since I seem to have lost track of what his stated POV isā€¦) I apologize for causing you to think that I couldnā€™t trust youā€¦ that was never my intention. I saw what looked a bit like a railroad, so I inquired about it. I canā€™t apologize for that, because I hope that someone would do it for me, if it came to that. My (hopefully) final statement on this issue is that we had **Brian** posting for awhile, and then we had **Satan** posting. They werenā€™t the same guyā€¦ not really. -David ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/358 "2003-01-10T01:44:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SoulFrost \* > Take a deep breath and do this: > Pretend that you had just been banned from here, a place you love. > Now, pretend that the official reason contained at least one untruth. > Ok-- how would _you_ feel? Outraged? Betrayed? Targeted unfairly? Letā€™s add - I was able to slip under the radar for two warnings past my final warning? I would think to myself ā€œJesus Christ the reason they finally banned me had an inaccuracy in itā€ - Iā€™m not willing to call it an untruth - ā€œbut hey - I manged to avoid the hatchet twice already. I was pretty lucky.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/359 "2003-01-10T01:46:04Z")
šŸ™‚ Iā€™ll grant you that. You were right, I was wrong. I should have done my homework a little better. Mea culpa. -David ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/360 "2003-01-10T01:47:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SoulFrost \* > You were right, I was wrong. Now _that_ is music to my ears. I love being right! How can I stay mad now? Next time youā€™re out here in California we can go hot-tubbing together and Iā€™ll break out the bubbly. ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118/361 "2003-01-10T01:49:46Z")
Bubbles in the hot tub? Hmmmmā€¦ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unban-satan/147118.md?page=19)