# Unconvinced that mainstream conservatives (Tea Partiers) are evil and stupid? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2011, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248 "2011-09-14T03:51:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![No\_umlaut\_for\_U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ea5d25/32.png) [@No\_umlaut\_for\_U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/No_umlaut_for_U)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/21 "2011-09-14T16:37:10Z")
I snort at the Republicans now. Richard Nixon declared a War on cancer (misguided, but at least his two-sizes-too-small heart was in the right place). Now, there is a preventative for almost all cervical cancer, and the two idiots of the gender solely affected, are against it. I would love to wallpaper their houses and offices entirely with full-color pictures of peoples’ genitalia infected with HPV warts. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/22 "2011-09-14T16:41:50Z")
People who lobby against public health care measures are pretty damned evil. Who the fuck believes that it’s good public policy for young women to increase their chances of a hysterectomy? Because that’s the way you cure cervical cancer. Bachmann’s crotch should rot for spreading bullshit about the HPV vaccine. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/23 "2011-09-14T16:42:50Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Except for that last part about coming together to support fringe ideas, I think every single thing in that sentence is factually wrong. > > The Tea Party isn’t a grassroots movement; it doesn’t cross the spectrum; it isn’t about the failings of government (and it especially isn’t about IMPROVING government); and it has no heart. Remember who you’re quoting. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/24 "2011-09-14T16:49:35Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > That’s not true. Burning your dog is _hilarious_. No, burning _your_ dog is hilarious. Burning my dog is tragic. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > _\_ As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Marcus Porcius Cato the Younger approaches 1. You know who else called people out for use of lazy rhetorical devices, right? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/25 "2011-09-14T17:09:07Z")
Marcus Porcius Cato the Elder? ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/26 "2011-09-14T17:10:42Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > eta: The resistance to HPV Vaccination on the other hand is mind blowing. I wouldn’t attribute to eveil necessarily, but rather to stupidity and religious nonsense. I think the opposition to it also has a lot to do with the underhanded tactics that were used to get Texas HPV vaccination requirement in place. I lived in Texas at the time that it came into being, and even some pretty liberal friends, who were otherwise in favor of it, felt queasy about Perry’s motivations. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/27 "2011-09-14T17:11:25Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > True. Let’s not forget that at heart, it’s really a grass-roots movement consisting of people from across the political spectrum who are angry at the failings of government, and who have come together to support a platform consisting entirely of [formerly]fringe-Right ideas. Plus the ones who opposed the Bush era destruction of our economy, involving tax cuts & 2 expensive wars, but didn’t speak out until we got a (sorta) black president. (Yes, _I_ got the joke!) Evil _and_ stupid might apply to many but stupidity alone suffices for most. (Hey, I live in Texas.) By the way–don’t think that Perry decreed the HPV vaccinations because he was concerned about the health of the young women of Texas. He’s staunchly behind abstinence-only sex education & generally hates science. [His reason?](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/09/14/bloomberg1376-LRHGBP6KLVR701-6EG09OS11J0IBG3CMPVL8U3BIG.DTL) > [@](#): > > Perry, who is seeking the Republican presidential nomination, received at least $23,500 in campaign contributions from drug-maker Merck & Co., including $5,000 in 2006, the year before he ordered girls throughout the state to take a new Merck vaccine. The drug-maker also has donated about $500,000 to the Republican Governors Association, a group which Perry headed twice and has been among his most generous campaign donors. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/28 "2011-09-14T17:12:27Z")
At least your stereotypical GOPer has an excuse for not being hip to 21st century sexual politics (or 20th, or 19th…): low education, ignorance, poverty, and religious indoctrination. What excuse do educated, well off, non-religious Pwogs have for supporting torture? Or the building of fleets of robots to bomb brown people into a fine pink mist? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/29 "2011-09-14T17:14:24Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Marcus Porcius Cato the Elder? Well it surely wasn’t a reference to Marcus Porcius Cato Salonianus the younger. Good lord, man, common sense. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/30 "2011-09-14T17:15:02Z")
> [@Mr.Excellent](#): > > You know who else called people out for use of lazy rhetorical devices, right? Cicero? ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/31 "2011-09-14T17:16:15Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > By the way–don’t think that Perry decreed the HPV vaccinations because he was concerned about the health of the young women of Texas. He’s staunchly behind abstinence-only sex education & generally hates science. [His reason?](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/09/14/bloomberg1376-LRHGBP6KLVR701-6EG09OS11J0IBG3CMPVL8U3BIG.DTL) No, but sometimes the best you can hope for is that the right thing gets done for the wrong reason. The only reason that the pharmas made the vaccine was for profit, but I’m OK with that (yes, it’s different but still). Of course, Perry’s still a d-bag, but waddayagonnado? ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/32 "2011-09-14T17:19:27Z")
(Withdrawn) ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/33 "2011-09-14T17:38:52Z")
[quote=“Der\_Trihs, post:4, topic:596248”] There is no “liberal health care plan”; Obama’s plan is just a warmed over Republican plan, and Obama isn’t a liberal or even close. QUOTE] ROTFLMAO!! I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there. DT, what color is the sky on your home planet? You want to argue that Obama isn’t a liberal, you better be ready to argue that the Pope ain’t Catholic in your next breath. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/34 "2011-09-14T17:44:57Z")
Eh, crawl back to your Fox hole. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/35 "2011-09-14T17:52:07Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > There is no “liberal health care plan”; Obama’s plan is just a warmed over Republican plan, and Obama isn’t a liberal or even close. So…does that make Obama evil and stupid? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/36 "2011-09-14T18:07:57Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > 1. Why? (not a “bitchy, denegrating” why with intent to fuel an attack, more of a “gimme your perspective 'cuz I’m curious” why. > > 2. And why does insurance have to be part of the equation? Medicine is a service, known to be very expensive, and to be needed at inopportune times. Doctors _routinely_ make massive concessions on their bills when health insurance gets involved. They can make the same concessions for the uninsured and destitute. It is trivially easy to do an asset check to see if someone is in need of mercy or a payment plan. > > As for the OP: if the debate participants did not favor “let 'em die!” then they all wasted an opportunity to lead their potential constituents. Silence being acceptance, and all that. 1. I’m not really sure if this is just a circular definition, but it’s because I believe someone has a \*right \*to be treated in a life-threatening emergency, within reasonable medical limits, regardless of their economic status, intelligence, forsight, etc. Just because someone was too poor to afford insurance doesn’t mean they don’t deserve treatment, and similarly, just because someone who could have afforded insurance but chose not to doesn’t mean they should have to die. People do dumb things, and not purchasing health insurance when it is within their means is one of those things. I don’t feel comfortable with the idea that they should have to die because of that particular dumb idea. It is specific to this case, however, not all dumb ideas in general. Just a personal opinion, and I hope that clears it up somewhat. 2. I’m not sure exactly how to address this point. I believe health insurance needs reform, and that the obama health care plan was a massive failure to do it correctly (requiring everyone to purchase it but not putting in very strict price-cap measures, unless I have been misinformed on this point). Doctors, surgeons, nurses, etc deserve generous compensation for their work, but I have no idea how insurance works with compensating them, so I am admittedly pretty uneducated on this point. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/37 "2011-09-14T18:35:16Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > > > There is no “liberal health care plan”; Obama’s plan is just a warmed over Republican plan, and Obama isn’t a liberal or even close. > > ROTFLMAO!! > > I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there. > > DT, what color is the sky on your home planet? You want to argue that Obama isn’t a liberal, you better be ready to argue that the Pope ain’t Catholic in your next breath. The “Obama Health Care Plan” used to be the one favored by Republicans–private health care, we just make everyone buy it. Win-win, the poor people get insurance, and the rich insurance companies get customers. Then Obama supported it, and it became socialism. If you base your entire political platform on advocating the opposite of whatever Obama supports, you’re going to find yourself advocating some pretty odd positions. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/38 "2011-09-14T18:35:45Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The values in question being “let the sluts die an agonizing death to terrify women into proper servitude”. In other words, _evil_ and _stupid_ values. Coming from the guy who wants to record women he’s having sex with _without their knowledge_ because he thinks that they’re all so evil they’ll falsely cry rape after the fact, just to cheat him out of money, this is freakin’ hilarious. Sorry you diseased woman-hating perv, you get no cred when it comes to talking about how others value women. From [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13359417) > [@Der Trihs on why it's ok to record your sex acts with women without their permission](#): > > I recall one from the FBI showing that 65% of men in jail on rape charges physically could not be guilty; either DNA tests proved it, or they were demonstrably somewhere far away when the crime occurs. > > And why wouldn’t there be lots of false accusations, given that there’s no downside for the woman, the prevalence of hatred and disdain women in our culture have towards men, and that false accusations are outright encouraged by some feminists and divorce lawyers? Like the practice of photographing your husband bathing your children so you can accuse him of being a child molester - he’s touching naked kids! - if you end up divorcing him. Why not falsely accuse a man since after all, him being a man you “know” he’s scum anyway? ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/39 "2011-09-14T18:45:38Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > The “Obama Health Care Plan” used to be the one favored by Republicans–private health care, we just make everyone buy it. Win-win, the poor people get insurance, and the rich insurance companies get customers. > > Then Obama supported it, and it became socialism. > > If you base your entire political platform on advocating the opposite of whatever Obama supports, you’re going to find yourself advocating some pretty odd positions. As far as I understand it, it’s even more republican than you are letting on. The bill that got passed requires people purchase insurance, but it puts relatively poor or no price-caps on what insurance companies can charge. It’s irresponsible and unfair, a monumental failure of legislation, and a huge win for insurance companies. I hope I’m wrong about the price-capping thing though, but that’s what I’ve heard. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unconvinced-that-mainstream-conservatives-tea-partiers-are-evil-and-stupid/596248/40 "2011-09-14T19:04:27Z")
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