# Uncredited performances(Enemy of the State and Star Trek: Generations) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 5, 2004, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199 "2004-09-05T10:26:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/1 "2004-09-05T10:26:54Z")
Seth Green has a reasonably sized role in “Enemy of the State” and Whoopi Goldberg has a big part in “Star Trek: Generations”. How does it happen that both of them are uncredited? How do things like this happen. Can anyone think of other big roles like this? ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/2 "2004-09-05T11:29:59Z")
I just watched _Generations_ a few days ago. Are you sure about that? I’m almost certain that Whoopie was named. I’ll check the video again. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/3 "2004-09-05T11:41:13Z")
Bruce Willis’s part in _Four Rooms_ was uncredited. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/4 "2004-09-05T13:00:37Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > I just watched _Generations_ a few days ago. Are you sure about that? I’m almost certain that Whoopie was named. I’ll check the video again. I don’t know about _Generations_, but her (brief) appearance in _Nemesis_ is definitely uncredited. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/5 "2004-09-05T13:23:52Z")
When \*The Adventures Of Baron Munchausen \* came out awhile back, I was amazed to see Robin Williams playing a juicy (and hilarious) side role as the King of the Moon. His name appears nowhere in the credits. ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/6 "2004-09-05T13:29:07Z")
Damn **Massa** I was just trying to think of the name of that show. You’re right about his no credit in the movie. BUT IIRC their was an alias listed… ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/7 "2004-09-05T13:38:55Z")
Ray D. Tutto as the Moon King \ **Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/8 "2004-09-05T14:08:04Z") > [@t-keela](#): > > Ray D. Tutto as the Moon King \ could this Tutto be related to Cap’n Tuttle? > Did Mork watch MASH then come up with this alias? 😕 From [here](http://www.pricetool.com/mvie-review-561F-90B6B7-3907D7FD-prod5) > [@](#): > > Robin Williams is brilliant as the King of the Moon. His performance is bizarre and genius and the odd thing is that he isn’t even credited in this film. He is listed as being “Ray D. Tutto”, which means King of Everything in Italian. Originally this role was meant for Sean Connery, but it was cut down so much, that Connery didn’t feel it was “kingly” enough and the role went to Williams. ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/9 "2004-09-05T14:45:26Z")
Robin Williams had another uncredited role in **Shakes the Clown** as a mime instructor. I just figured he showed up to help out a pal. Ron Liebman was the big star of **Up the Academy** but wisely had his name kept out of it. Mad Magazine, ostensibly the producers, had their name removed from the title after the first (brief) run. The fact that I saw both of these movies in the theater reveals more about me than I’d like. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/10 "2004-09-05T15:13:54Z")
I saw \*Up The Academy \* in a theatre. After seeing _National Lampoon’s Animal House,_ I figured \*Mad Magazine’s Up The Academy \* would be a scream. E-yarg. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/11 "2004-09-05T22:33:23Z")
I have no idea if it’s true or not but I remember reading _somewhere_ that she chose to be unlisted so she wouldn’t overshadow the other actors in the movie. She had a pretty substantial part in Generations so maybe if she had been listed, it would have been Star Trek: Generations starring Patrick Stewart, Brent Spiner, and Whoopi Goldberg and she didn’t want that? Just a WAG based on a half-remembered posting so don’t take it as truth or anything. ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/12 "2004-09-05T22:46:27Z")
Actors and actresses of “star” stature tend to have contracts that specify what kind of billing they get, whether it appears on top of the movie title, whether it appears in larger type than the other actors’ names, etc. Given the type of billing Whoopi Goldberg has gotten in most of her other movies, it actually makes a lot of sense to just leave her name off the credits, to avoid the precedent of taking subordinate billing to someone like Jonathan Frakes. She’s an A-list actress slumming in some B-movies. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/13 "2004-09-05T23:02:41Z")
That’s right. If a major actor takes a small role, it can reduce your leverage in your next film (“You appeared in Movie X for scale, so we don’t have to give you a percentage of the gross in our film.”) Major actors who take small roles sometimes go unbilled to prevent this. Robin Williams was also unbilled in the main credits for **Dead Again** (he had a fairly substantial part), though his name may have been in the end credits. There are also cameos, where the actor has only a couple of lines and is there so the audience can recognize him. They aren’t an issue in the contract negotiations, but sometimes the actor will appear unbilled and other times you’ll find the name in the credits. Marlene Dietrich was uncredited in **Touch of Evil** (as was Joseph Cotton. who happened to visit the set and was put into a couple of scenes). Legend has it that the studio only discovered she was involved when they saw Welles’s footage. Walter Huston was uncredited in his son’s **The Maltese Falcon**. ---
**Author:** ![Made\_in\_Macau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@Made\_in\_Macau](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Made_in_Macau)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2004, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/14 "2004-09-05T23:17:56Z")
John Malkovitch has an uncredited role as an FBI/CIA investigator _with a cold!_ in either - Jennifer 8 or Alive. Been a long time since I saw either - but pretty sure it was one or other. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/15 "2004-09-06T02:43:32Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > and Whoopi Goldberg has a big part in “Star Trek: Generations”. The uncredited role of Judson Earney Scott in the second film (that of the Starbuck-like second banana Joachim) was larger that that of some of the Enterprise regulars (Sulu and Uhura, certainly) and far more significant than Goldberg’s role in the later film. Scott’s agent was apparantly angling for higher placement in the credits (how he mistakenly believed he’d get Scott listed ahead of the big seven escapes me). [Cecil discussed this briefly back in '82.](http://69.20.125.245/classics/a1_368.html) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/16 "2004-09-06T03:30:24Z")
> [@Krokodil](#): > > Actors and actresses of “star” stature tend to have contracts that specify what kind of billing they get, whether it appears on top of the movie title, whether it appears in larger type than the other actors’ names, etc. Given the type of billing Whoopi Goldberg has gotten in most of her other movies, it actually makes a lot of sense to just leave her name off the credits, to avoid the precedent of taking subordinate billing to someone like Jonathan Frakes. She’s an A-list actress slumming in some B-movies. Say what now? Whoopi “Center Square” Goldberg is an A-list actor? Star of such A-list movies as _Burglar_, _Theodore Rex_, and _Jumpin’ Jack Flash_? I think there’s a better chance that Star Trek is ashamed of being associated with her rather than the other way 'round. ---
**Author:** ![rolandgunslinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cdc98d/32.png) [@rolandgunslinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rolandgunslinger)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/17 "2004-09-06T04:01:10Z")
> [@Master Wang-Ka](#): > > I saw \*Up The Academy \* in a theatre. After seeing _National Lampoon’s Animal House,_ I figured \*Mad Magazine’s Up The Academy \* would be a scream. > > E-yarg. :smack: I thought _Up the Acadamy_ was funny 😃 “Tickle your ass with a feather?” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/18 "2004-09-06T04:02:09Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Marlene Dietrich was uncredited in **Touch of Evil** (as was Joseph Cotton. who happened to visit the set and was put into a couple of scenes). Legend has it that the studio only discovered she was involved when they saw Welles’s footage. Mercedes McCambridge was also uncredited in _Touch of Evil_. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/19 "2004-09-06T04:11:49Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Mercedes McCambridge was also uncredited in _Touch of Evil_. As well as in _The Exorcist_; she had to sue for billing. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2004, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199/20 "2004-09-06T04:16:21Z")
> [@Reality Chuck](#): > > Marlene Dietrich was uncredited in Touch of Evil (as was Joseph Cotton. who happened to visit the set and was put into a couple of scenes). Legend has it that the studio only discovered she was involved when they saw Welles’s footage. Actually, she was credited. Here’s the relevant IMDb trivia entry: > [@IMDb](#): > > The officials from Universal Pictures only found out that Marlene Dietrich was playing Tanya when they saw the rushes for that days filming; she had filmed her part in one day as a personal favor to Orson Welles and he had not told anyone about it. She agreed to appear at minimum union wages, but when the officals decided to give her onscreen credit, they had to pay her more. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uncredited-performances-enemy-of-the-state-and-star-trek-generations/263199.md?page=2)