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Be thankful that you’re not yet on any of the pornspam mailing lists - a good 80% of the spam which hits my hotmail account is porn related (the other day I had 10 seuccessive emails all sent from different addresses linking to the same site), and I have the filters set! I also routinely block sender, but have to clear out the older addresses when the number of blocked senders hits 250.
It’s sad, but life. Anything there’s desire and money to be made in will never be stopped. Just like the drug trade - which if turned into a company would be the highest gross income company in existance, ever. Where lies demand and large amounts of money to be made, an unstoppable quality is imminent.
LOL if my happiness hinged on my liking your opinions, I’da been dead the first time we met! 
I know looking at porno isn’t my God-given right, but then again, I don’t think that looking at people my own age (or thereabouts), regardless of the legality, is an evil, horrible thing, either.
I do wonder, however, why you say that I’m ‘perving for young girls’ when I quite clearly state that I’m not looking for nor attracted to ‘young girls’. I’ll ask the same question again: Do you consider a 16/17 year old looking at 14-20 year olds a pervert? If so, why. If so, do you then consider any person looking at people younger than them a pervert? What about a 45 year old looking at 25 year olds? Is he a pervert? If not, why? The age/maturity gap from 25 to 45 is WAY more than from even 15 to 19.
Where do you draw the line at perversion, Primaflora? Is it, in your opinion, perverse for any person to look at any person nude? That’s what you imply when you state that I’m ‘perving for young girls’ when I’m looking at people my own age. I also have ‘intense reservations’ about using young girls for porn. Did I not say that pre- and mid- pubescent girls shouldn’t be posing for nude, sexual photographs? What’s the cutoff, Primaflora? When do I stop being a pervert? When I’m, say, 22, and no longer desire to see anyone younger than 18? Why does that make me no longer a pervert? Because now my preferences have become completely ‘legal’? Why is the perversity level attained by my dark soul metered solely by whether a person is a ‘legal adult’ or not, and not by their proximity to my age?
I’m not meaning to be a dick, Primaflora, but I think that people need to not make rash generalizations, and that any chosen stance must be well-thoughtout and logically solid. There’s no place, in my mind, for snap judgements of content or character. I’m asking the hard questions that people should be asking themselves.
Oh, and about underage girls posing of their own free will: What makes you think there’s a solid, non-moving line between free-will, adult pornography, and coerced, underage pornography? I for one don’t believe that when a girl hits 18, they ‘suddenly’ decide it’d be fun to pose for porn. There are females (and males) of all ages who will willingly pose for porn. It is a given that the probability of coercion rises as the age drops, but I do think you’re wrong in implying that all, even the majority, of 16 or 17 year old girls who have nude photos taken of them do so unwillingly.
And anyone wanting to flame this asshole for saying there’s nothing wrong for him to be looking at underage girls, :rolleyes: go ahead. I already said I didn’t like the idea of pre- and mid- pubescent girls goin around gettin nakey on film many times. Yeesh.
Good God. I’m sure that arguing pro-underage porn doesn’t shine well on my reputation. Oh well.
–Tim
This can’t be stressed enough. Just having the pictures on your computer is a crime and you do have them on your computer. If you saw them with a browser then they are in a /temp directory.
Don’t say I didn’t warn you when The Internet Police start knocking on your door.
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I think we’re arguing two things here. You’re arguing that it’s OK to take porn shots of 14 - 18 yo. I’m saying that it is not OK to take porn shots of children and I certainly consider a child under the age of consent to be out of bounds. 17, 18 yo I can deal with OK.
I can see the difference between a teenage boy and a 40 yo paedophile but I still don’t think a teenage boy should be looking at a 14 yo. I know it’s easier for you to make out that I am a prude who just plain doesn’t like porn (although what you base that on I don’t know) than to acknowledge that if you get off on looking at pictures of 14 yo girls that’s not right. Unless you are trying to say that you yourself are 14?
But geez thanks for the kneejerk reaction that of course I am just a narrow minded prude who doesn’t think her position through clearly. :rolleyes:
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Being physically attracted to pre-pubescent girls is unnatural in my opinion. Society and culture have nothing to do with it, if she’s not showing any secondary sexual characteristics yet there is no normal reason to want to copulate with her. I see it as a kind of mental illness.
Things get a lot more iffy when the girls hit puberty, because that’s where cultural mores come into play. Though our society may place girls under the age of 18 as off-limites (and for some pretty good reasons, I’ll get into that below) I believe most adult males are going to find many females in that 13-17 age range physically attractive on some level, because they would have been perfectly valid potential mates under different conditions. One should still refrain from pursuing them for social reasons.
For whatever reasons, we have set the age we consider someone an adult quite a few years above the age where they reach physical maturity. If you treat people like children, they will act like children. Your typical 14 year old girl from a few hundred years ago was much more emotionally mature than a modern 14 year old. Her culture expected her to be ready to get married and start a family at that age, so she has been prepared for it. Most modern girls are not emotionally mature enough for sex at that age, so having sex with one would be like having sex with someone with a mental disability - it’s not unnatural physically, but it is wrong because the younger party is not fully aware of the consequences of their actions and is probably being taken advantage of, and it’s not just a case of ‘society says it’s wrong’ - I think it’s wrong for any kind of moral person, though society did create the condition that made it wrong. I think if we set our age of majority to 25 and treated people like children until then, it would be wrong to have sex with 21 year-olds.
As an 18 year old, I can see Homer’s side of things. I don’t want to see pictures of 25-35 year old porn stars and strippers. I’m attracted to people around my age, and therefore would prefer to look at people my own age. I do not think this is perversion. I actually consider it more perverted for me to watch 30 year olds have sex than for me to want to see pictures of people my age.
Now, I’ll make sure my position is very clear:
I’m against child pornography of any form (By this, I mean very young ages under 14 at least). I also don’t go looking for pornographic pictures of minors of any age, because it is against the law. I’m against pornographic material of teenagers having sex with adults (By this I mean something like a 16 year old having sex with a 35 year old). I’m against pornographic material with bestiality, because I think that’s disgusting.
I have a question about the logic behind some of this though: People accept the fact that teenagers have sex, but then get riled up if a teenager has pictures of another teenager. Why?
LOL Primaflora, sorry for that statement, it wasn’t directly at you specifically. I’m glad we’ve come to somewhat of an understanding. I just wanted my position to be clear so I don’t look like some net-predator or something. As for the 14yos, I can say that I’m not really attracted to anyone under really 16-17 these days, so I suppose I can’t be too much of a pervert.
Badz: I agree with you on all points. Absolutely no contention.
I suppose now that we’ve defined ‘acceptable’ verses unacceptable underage nudity, we can continue flaming the sick fucks who spam newsgroups with “7-10yo hardcore!” messages.
–Tim
Does anyone else find it peculiar that in Canada, legal age to have sex is 14 (for most things), but legal age to be in pornography is 18?
impatient Yes, but what about those of us to whom this doesn’t apply? 18 is just a number that somebody thought up. There’s a good segment of the population that it doesn’t apply to.
I got rid of my virginity at age 16 with my then-21-year-old best friend. Advantage? Ha! The thing was my damn idea. Never looked back and never had second thoughts. It was great. But there are places - with cultures not far removed from my own - where that would be quite illegal. (I’m not sure what the legal age is in various locales in the US.) I just find it very hard to believe that something could be ethically right on one side of a border and ethically wrong on the other side.
I’m not sure that’s a bad thing matt; I assume the reasoning is that a 14 year old may be mature enough to have sex, but not worldly enough to understand the full implications of appearing in sexually explicit material which will be made publicly available and the distribution of which whill be outside of their control.
Wow, finally I kick off a debate, too bad it was in the pit and my internet connection died the same day 
Just to check back in, I’ve done some looking around and it seems Russian ISPs are indeed free to do pretty much whatever they want these days. There don’t seem to be many options open 
As for the debate about the age of consent, I agree that it’s a very arbitrary number and has little to do with reality. Lowering it would always be a problem though, because people always seem to push the very limits of what is legal.
Personally I think age of consent with another minor should be about 14, wile sex with someone older would require you to be at least 16.
As a sidenote, have any of you checked out the various Pedo offenders archives around the USA? I think it’s a fantastic system, many states allow you to look up bios and PICTURES of local sex offenders. I found a few such archives by searching Yahoo and I think they could end up saving a lot of people. I’m sure glad I’ve never been wrongly convicted of anything in those states, though, wouldn’t want my picture all over the net
— G. Raven
p.s. I just reinstalled Windows for another reason, so I don’t think I need to worry about the cache files thing that was mentioned. I also live in sovereign territory inside another state, so I don’t fall under any local jurisdiction anyway.
There have been a number of very serious issues with these databases, from harassment of innocents, to outright vigilantism. These typically revolve around: similar names; similar appearance; failure to update databases; and failure of offenders to report changes of address.
There is one reported case in New Jersey, where a home owner was badly beaten, despite the pedo that used to live there having moved away two years previously. Other cases have involved roughing up citizens mistaken for pedos, arson, and the like. Not a very useful social development, especially considering the high failure rate of ex-con pedo’s to report their movements. Also, there is the issue of Civil Rights. Yes, I know, a disturbing scenario: Civil Rights for pedos. However, in this country at least, there is the legal convention that having paid their ‘debt’ to society, an ex-con isn’t supposed to be punished further. Megan’s Law, the reporting law in New Jersey, has been drastically weakend by court rulings.
Lastly, to keep the tone in the Pit at the right level: Fuck all Pedos with razorwire.
Yeah, it does open up a whole new can of worms.
As for pedo punishment, I’d like to suggest the “broken glass enema” that was recently given it’s debut by an inspired rant on these very boards
— G. Raven
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Shouldn’t that be, " Coming soon: Vulvamere and Estrogen in ‘Waiting for Porno’ " ??? 
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While I never visit porn sites, I’m constantly getting porn spam at my Hotmail account. There is apparently plenty of pornography featuring XXX BARELY LEGAL TEENS XXX and HOT HORNY COLLEGE GIRLS* out there. I don’t think any 18 year olds should have much difficulty finding pornography featuring people around their own age.
*I find these especially funny, since I am a student at a women’s college. I see hot, horny college girls ALL DAY, EVERY DAY, I don’t need a website for it!