Underground/hidden internet

[coremelt]

@tellyworth

and the sort of attack you’re describing is probably no more effective than those.

from your link:
“Steven Murdoch’s PET 2007 paper about achieving high confidence in a correlation attack despite seeing only 1 in 2000 packets on each side (Sampled Traffic Analysis by Internet-Exchange-Level Adversaries).”

Seems pretty effective to me.

[jakesteele]

Thanks for the info. I was vague with my post because I didn’t know the correct phrases for it.

[jakesteele]

Thanks for the info. I was vague with my post because I didn’t know the correct phrases for it. Between all of the posts that were trying to be helpful I pretty much got what I was looking for.

[Little_Nemo]

@Simple_Linctus

By the way the software itself is totally innocuous and refusing to install the software itself is on a luddite scale of refusing to install firefox, it’s that respectable now.

Yes, because the Code of the Internet requires that all malware be clearly labelled. So you can trust anything that says it’s safe.

[Turble]

We might as well give it up, guys.

Yes, we are not really a thirteen year old girl, we are a 63 year old panda. Open the door and come out with your hands up.

[coremelt]

@Little_Nemo

Yes, because the Code of the Internet requires that all malware be clearly labelled. So you can trust anything that says it’s safe.

Using a Tor client could certainly get you in trouble but only from what you choose to access (or from running a Tor relay) but the client itself is as safe as any other open source software.

You never installed Firefox or any FTP or BitTorrent client?

[Simple_Linctus]

@Little_Nemo

Yes, because the Code of the Internet requires that all malware be clearly labelled. So you can trust anything that says it’s safe.

It’s fine to be suspicious at first but the slightest bit of research into Tor will show how respectable it is. Google funded some of the coding on it for example.

[Dr.Colossus]

@Little_Nemo

You’re still telling us there’s great stuff out there. But you won’t tell us what the great stuff is. We should just go see it for ourselves. Don’t ask questions. Just download this software into our computers and go look.

Sorry but my rule of thumb is never download mysterious software based on promises of how cool the results will be.

ease up, guy. you seem to have equal parts curiosity and fear…
the first post by whoever it was saying it was to the hidden wiki via tor outlined it pretty much in full, way before Cryptic McVaguesayer started in.
i went to the hidden wiki via the proxy (AND WAS CERTAIN TO GO NO FURTHER).

it’s a portal with tor links to just a shit ton of not-exactly-up and up shit. lots and lots of offers of illegal services, rent-a-hacker, hitmen, places to buy counterfeit money, fake ids and credicards, a lot of vendors claiming to sell stolen merch/computers/fake designer goods, drugs, extreme porn from the dark corners of the sewer, anarchist rants, and so on and so forth.

think of the things in life you’d really not want anyone to ever know you were associated with. it’s all there. probably some of it’s total shadeballs, but the whole thing reeks of “stay away” so bad i can’t go on.

stuff like this is so very fascinating but also really scary to me.

[Tristan]

I read this thread a few days ago, and am hooked. Once I get my home machine repaired I’ll be dl’ing tor and giving this a whirl.

However, when I mentioned it to our Information Security guy, as soon as I said “Tor, this cool thing…” he stopped me and made sure I knew not to load it on my work machine. He informed me that the unofficial policy is to fire anyone loading it on a work machine. There is enough illegal stuff done on the Onion networks that it’s not worth the risk to the company, apparently.

I’m glad he told me, and I figured I would pass it on to those who may not have connections to their IT folks.