# Underrated beauties **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 3, 2012, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735 "2012-04-03T21:15:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/101 "2012-04-11T19:22:30Z")
> [@ministryman](#): > > Is this show still on, and why haven’t I heard of it? You’ve been a Doper since 2003 and you’ve never heard of Firefly? 😕 That’s _unpossible_! ---
**Author:** ![Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8dc957/32.png) [@Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Christopher_Robin_Davies)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/102 "2012-04-11T19:33:56Z")
Now that I think about it you are correct. But also as I think on it the sleazy photography almost immediately thought Bailey was a former nude model herself. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/103 "2012-04-11T20:43:22Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > the first time i watched “the drew carry show” i was bowled over by the girl next door christa miller: agreed! > [@beware of doug](#): > > always had a thing for elizabeth perkins. > [in the 90s](http://snarkerati.com/profile_pics/elizabeth-perkins.jpg) and [recently](http://www.clickceleb.com/pictures/10000/1525/26924.jpg) agreed! ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/104 "2012-04-11T20:57:39Z")
> [@Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](#): > > Now that I think about it you are correct. But also as I think on it the sleazy photography almost immediately thought Bailey was a former nude model herself. I can’t figure out how to parse the second sentence. I seriously doubt Jan Smithers did any nude modeling (outside of the [naked traffic accident](http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2007/11/09/james_brolin_s_ex_recovering_after_naked), which her family denied), and Bailey would be even less likely. BTW, it turned out that the photographer really had the hots for Andy. And the funniest part of that revelation (which I may misremember because I was laughing so hard) was Andy’s moan that he felt so _used_ — and Bailey’s sarcastically condescending “there, there, that’s all right.” ---
**Author:** ![Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8dc957/32.png) [@Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Christopher_Robin_Davies)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/105 "2012-04-11T21:09:43Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > I can’t figure out how to parse the second sentence. I seriously doubt Jan Smithers did any nude modeling (outside of the [naked traffic accident](http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2007/11/09/james_brolin_s_ex_recovering_after_naked), which her family denied), and Bailey would be even less likely. > > BTW, it turned out that the photographer really had the hots for Andy. And the funniest part of that revelation (which I may misremember because I was laughing so hard) was Andy’s moan that he felt so _used_ — and Bailey’s sarcastically condescending “there, there, that’s all right.” How to parse my second sentence: When Fever & Bailey go to the sleazy photographer’s studio to scam him out of the photographs and negatives of a nude Jennifer, at one point the photographer says that he recognizes Bailey (or whatever pseudonym she was using) as having been featured in some magazine shoot. I do not think we are meant to believe he is correct, only that he thinks she is good-looking enough for it to be plausible. Had never heard of the real-life traffic accident story. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/106 "2012-04-11T23:38:40Z")
> [@Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](#): > > How to parse my second sentence: > > When Fever & Bailey go to the sleazy photographer’s studio to scam him out of the photographs and negatives of a nude Jennifer, at one point the photographer says that he recognizes Bailey (or whatever pseudonym she was using) as having been featured in some magazine shoot. I do not think we are meant to believe he is correct, only that he thinks she is good-looking enough for it to be plausible. > > Had never heard of the real-life traffic accident story. A couple of weeks ago, Newsweek did a 60’s issue. In it they showed a 1966 Newsweek [cover](http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&q=newsweek+smithers+1966&gbv=2&oq=newsweek+smithers+1966&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=img.3...4371l13651l0l14085l22l22l0l13l13l0l170l803l7j2l9l0.frgbld.&biw=1024&bih=672&sei=iRWGT6LcNaaUiQKnhbG3Dw) of Jan as a teenager - perhaps they were referring to that in the show. ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/107 "2012-04-12T00:59:01Z")
> [@ministryman](#): > > Is this show still on, and why haven’t I heard of it? Just in case you’re not kidding… > **[Firefly (TV series)](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Firefly_%28TV_series%29&useformat=desktop)** > > Firefly is a 2002 American space Western drama television series, created by writer and director Joss Whedon, under his Mutant Enemy Productions label. Whedon served as an executive producer, along with Tim Minear. The series is set in the year 2517, after the arrival of humans in a new star system called The Verse, and follows the adventures of the renegade crew of Serenity, a "Firefly-class" spaceship. The ensemble cast portrays the nine characters living aboard Serenity. Whedon pitched the ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/108 "2012-04-12T01:56:15Z")
> [@Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](#): > > > [@JThunder](#): > > > > People, people! Have we all forgotten about Jan Smithers? The ultimate underrated beauty? > > I don’t think she was at all underrated. People always talked about how hot she was, even in-story. Remember the episode with the sleazy photographer who snaked naked pictures of her and was going to sell them to a girly magazine? Jan was just subtler than Jennifer, who needed the tight sweaters, big hair, and elaborate makeup to be seen as hot. First of all, as **Poysyn** said, the photographer took naughty photos of Jennifer, not Bailey. I see that you’ve acknowledged that point, so perhaps we can agree that it’s moot. Second, I don’t know where you got the notion that people “always talked about how hot she was.” Jennifer Marlowe got all the attention on that show, not Bailey. Oh sure, there were occasional references to Bailey’s beauty, but they were decidedly rare. Outside of the show, Loni Anderson’s looks got a lot more attention that those of Jan Smithers. She’s the one who was heralded as a pinup girl and a sex symbol. Jan languished in relative obscurity. Yeah, I stand by my claim. Jan Smithers was terribly underrated. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/109 "2012-04-12T02:13:52Z")
I didn’t watch all of her movies, but I don’t know if Janeane Garofalo was ever cast in a role that really took advantage of her appearance. [![](https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/c5b/68d/efc162e8ce65b58ac0545a6073ddfafca3-28-janeanegarofalo.rdeep-vertical.w250.jpg) ](https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/c5b/68d/efc162e8ce65b58ac0545a6073ddfafca3-28-janeanegarofalo.rdeep-vertical.w250.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Sefton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Sefton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sefton)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/110 "2012-04-12T03:45:57Z")
I’ve always found [Francesca Annis](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Francesca_Annis_as_Jessica_Atreides.jpg) to be breathtakingly beautiful. When I heard that Ralph Fiennes had left Alex Kingston for her despite the age difference, I thought “smart man.” But then he cheated on Francesca and got dumped. Fool. ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/111 "2012-04-12T04:47:33Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I didn’t watch all of her movies, but I don’t know if Janeane Garofalo was ever cast in a role that really took advantage of her appearance. > > [http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2012/02/28/28\_janeanegarofalo.o.jpg/a\_250x375.jpg](http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2012/02/28/28_janeanegarofalo.o.jpg/a_250x375.jpg) I’ve always thought she was incredibly hot. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/112 "2012-04-12T05:56:47Z")
> [@ministryman](#): > > Is this show still on, and why haven’t I heard of it? No, and possibly because you live in a cave? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/113 "2012-04-12T06:15:49Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > First of all, as **Poysyn** said, the photographer took naughty photos of Jennifer, not Bailey. I see that you’ve acknowledged that point, so perhaps we can agree that it’s moot. > > Second, I don’t know where you got the notion that people “always talked about how hot she was.” Jennifer Marlowe got all the attention on that show, not Bailey. Oh sure, there were occasional references to Bailey’s beauty, but they were decidedly rare. > > Outside of the show, Loni Anderson’s looks got a lot more attention that those of Jan Smithers. She’s the one who was heralded as a pinup girl and a sex symbol. Jan languished in relative obscurity. > > Yeah, I stand by my claim. Jan Smithers was terribly underrated. If I may clear up some confusion, in the episode, Johnny and Bailey pose as publishers. As part of her cover, Bailey states that she was a Playboy playmate. ---
**Author:** ![installLSC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/54ee81/32.png) [@installLSC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/installLSC)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/114 "2012-04-12T06:44:10Z")
Two gorgeous women who were cursed with awful names: [Greer](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5VoBEJQFoko/S_RdVoLdcoI/AAAAAAAAAlo/RX6W94-BORs/s1600/8.jpg) [Garson](http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/22800000/greer-garson-greer-garson-22876589-1600-1200.jpg) [Glynis](http://images.easyart.com/highres_images/easyart/2/3/238804.jpg) [Johns](http://usuarios.multimania.es/clasicosdehollywood/escritos/GlynisJohns.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![installLSC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/54ee81/32.png) [@installLSC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/installLSC)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/115 "2012-04-12T06:48:54Z")
> [@Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](#): > > I don’t think she was at all underrated. People always talked about how hot she was, even in-story. That was probably was because the 70s. TV shows during that era always had that weird thing about the brunette who endlessly complained about how guys overlooked her for the hot blonde. Never mind many or even most guys in the audience thought the brunette was hotter. Think Three’s Company, Too Close For Comfort, Eight Is Enough, etc. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/116 "2012-04-12T07:15:41Z")
Not exaclty underrated, but I think Julie Bowen is much prettier than Sofia Vergarra on Modern Family. ---
**Author:** ![DataZak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ea666f/32.png) [@DataZak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DataZak)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/117 "2012-04-12T07:18:53Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Not exaclty underrated, but I think Julie Bowen is much prettier than Sofia Vergarra on Modern Family. Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/118 "2012-04-12T09:28:56Z")
> [@ministryman](#): > > Is this show still on, and why haven’t I heard of it? It’s Firefly, it’s not on, and personally I only know it thanks to a marathon at a friend’s house (he had the boxed set containing both the series and the movie) but I loved it. There were a couple of “twists” I was seeing waaay in advance but I think that’s simply because Joss Whedon and I have read too many of the same stories. Great visuals also; this thread has only shown three of the ladies but the laddies weren’t anything to complain about. ETA: Vergara, guys. Two Rs, not three. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735/119 "2012-04-12T16:13:09Z")
> [@installLSC](#): > > That was probably was because the 70s. TV shows during that era always had that weird thing about the brunette who endlessly complained about how guys overlooked her for the hot blonde. Never mind many or even most guys in the audience thought the brunette was hotter. Think Three’s Company, Too Close For Comfort, Eight Is Enough, etc. Bailey never did that, though. She was unfairly overshadowed by Jennifer, but she never complained about it — nor did you often hear people comment in-story about her attractiveness. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underrated-beauties/617735.md?page=5)