# Underworld: Evolution: If you liked the first **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 21, 2006, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underworld-evolution-if-you-liked-the-first/340998 "2006-01-21T17:57:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underworld-evolution-if-you-liked-the-first/340998/21 "2006-01-23T06:53:14Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > And how did Marcus become a hybrid? > I was pretty disapointed. The way I interpreted it was that he didn’t. A vampire chick and her boytoy deal with this guy for the first time, with no authoritative knowledge about who or what he is, and assume that since he’s obviously not a regular vampire, he MUST be some kind of hybrid. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underworld-evolution-if-you-liked-the-first/340998/22 "2006-01-23T07:05:32Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > The way I interpreted it was that he didn’t. A vampire chick and her boytoy deal with this guy for the first time, with no authoritative knowledge about who or what he is, and assume that since he’s obviously not a regular vampire, he MUST be some kind of hybrid. Maybe I’m remembering incorrectly, but I thought that: Marcus acknowledged that he was a hybird ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underworld-evolution-if-you-liked-the-first/340998/23 "2006-01-23T08:03:33Z")
I couldn’t make it through the first one - and it takes a spectacularly bad movie for me to just turn it off and walk away. Stop. Pose. Cue music. Say a horrible line. Pose some more. Let some other character do the same thing. I don’t think there was a plot. Was it based on something? Was that as horrible as the mess I watched 30 minutes of? ---
**Author:** ![Malodorous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47774/32.png) [@Malodorous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malodorous)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underworld-evolution-if-you-liked-the-first/340998/24 "2006-01-23T10:38:09Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > The guy who was set up in the beginning to be a bad guy had an arguably noble purpose, and the main character’s mentor / hero turned out be be a bad guy. This was why I liked the first one, despite it’s very considerable flaws. The story is basically told from the point of view of the bad guys, even the main character is arguably a villian till the last few minutes, and they keep up the ambiguity till almost the very end of the film. The good guys on the other hand, are presented as cliched villians, the traitor vampire for example (who’s name is “Craven” for petes sake) is found cowering in a closet at the end. Typical villian behavior, and he never really really gets a redemption scene in the movie; it only sunk in he was on the “right side” thinking back on it after the film had ended. And really a film about warring man-eating monsters should be morally ambigous. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2006, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underworld-evolution-if-you-liked-the-first/340998/25 "2006-01-23T15:19:58Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I thought the first one was pretty good, but this one was a bit of a stinker. Other than Michael and Alexander, all the men look too much alike, so it gets confusing trying to keep track of who is whom. The dramatic music when > > Michael was “dead” > > just made you know he really wasn’t. And how did > > Marcus become a hybrid? > > I was pretty disapointed. Marcus IS a hybrid. He became one when the lycan doctor who was searching for the blood of Corvinus was murdered above his sleep chamber. His blood flowed down into the receptcle and he drank it. This was shown in the first movie, and in flashbacks in the second movie as Craven was coming to murder Marcus in his sleep. This is why Marcus wasn’t sleeping anymore. Remember the scenes showing that, and his mention of “This wretched creature’s blood memories…”)? He meant the lycan doctor. ---
**Author:** ![First\_Amongst\_Daves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/4491bb/32.png) [@First\_Amongst\_Daves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/First_Amongst_Daves)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2006, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underworld-evolution-if-you-liked-the-first/340998/26 "2006-01-25T14:55:30Z")
Good grief. A friend of mine has been pestering me to see it. If it is actually better than the first one I might have to do it. Is it just me or is the entire vampires v werewolves thing a rip off from Image Comics’ _Wetworks_ series? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2006, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underworld-evolution-if-you-liked-the-first/340998/27 "2006-01-25T15:32:37Z")
> [@First Among Daves](#): > > Is it just me or is the entire vampires v werewolves thing a rip off from Image Comics’ Wetworks series? The [chain of rip-offs](http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/09/08) [goes way back](http://www.stomptokyo.com/movies/w/werewolf-vampire-woman.html). The movie reminded me of that Vampire vs. Werewolf episode of The Real Ghostbusters. But I do think White Wolf was probably the most direct source of the premise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/underworld-evolution-if-you-liked-the-first/340998.md?page=1)