# Ungrateful Muslims **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 19, 2015, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082 "2015-10-19T01:05:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/61 "2015-10-20T15:44:16Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Part of the provision of the CVC code regarding disabled parking allows a person with a displayed placard to park in areas \*reserved \*for other purposes, whether or not they are on public property. So, if the owner tried having a car towed, and said car had a disabled placard, because it was parked in an expecting mother’s spot, he’d be totally screwed for doing it. Private proper be damned, if you invite the public on your property, you follow the state law. Period. I’m not sure is what the law says. From the [MA RMV site](https://www.massrmv.com/rmv/medical/parkingFAQ4cus.htm): > [@](#): > > Where can I use my Disabled Placard? > In Massachusetts: You may use your Disabled Placard in any parking space designated as HP parking. Other parking ordinances may be in effect, so obey all designated parking rules. _ **For instance, if a sign says, “Residential Parking Only,” then you must also have the proper residence parking authority.** _ Massachusetts’s law also allows vehicles with proper Disabled Parking authority to disregard most - but not all - public meter fees. I don’t see anything about towing a car from private property when a car with Handicapped plates is parked elsewhere. The Residential Parking Only provision mentioned above is likely referring to public streets, not private property, so I’m not sure it applies here. I took a quick look through the MA state laws and my eyes glazed over with Lawyer-speak, but I didn’t see anything about giving cars with Handicapped plates free access to private parking lots. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/62 "2015-10-20T16:03:59Z")
This is a very interesting and educational sidetrack. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/63 "2015-10-20T20:13:13Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > I’d be surprised if they could have a car towed. Towing from a business lot is usually strictly regulated, and I’ve never seen a pregnant woman sign that had the necessary legalese on it. > > They’d be free to monitor the parking lot, though, and ask anybody who used a pregnant woman space to please show documentation of their pregnancy or leave. That would be intrusive and wasteful but I think it would be allowed. The last time a woman asked for my seat on the subway because she was pregnant I asked how far along she was, and she said, “15 minutes, and man, am I tired”. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/64 "2015-10-20T21:04:04Z")
Okay, that was funny, right there. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/65 "2015-10-20T21:53:28Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > I’m not sure is what the law says. … From the CVC, (California Vehicle Code) \*You CAN park: In marked disabled spaces, such as those with: A wheelchair. Blue curbs. In green curb spaces for unlimited time. In spaces designated for merchants or residents. For free at metered spaces.\* ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/66 "2015-10-20T23:49:42Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Part of the provision of the CVC code regarding disabled parking allows a person with a displayed placard to park in areas \*reserved \*for other purposes, whether or not they are on public property. Really, anywhere they like? Loading zones, bus parking, emergency vehicle spaces, the judge’s spot at the courthouse, paid reserved spots at the train station parking garage? That is impressive. > [@Morgenstern](#): > > So, if the owner tried having a car towed, and said car had a disabled placard, because it was parked in an expecting mother’s spot, he’d be totally screwed for doing it. Private proper be damned, if you invite the public on your property, you follow the state law. Well, I didn’t say anything about towing, or the law. Also, I don’t know why a genuinely disabled person with a placard would choose a reserved spot _farther away_ than the Handicapped spots. Just to be a jerk? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/67 "2015-10-21T00:12:30Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > From the CVC, (California Vehicle Code) > \*You CAN park: > > In marked disabled spaces, such as those with: > A wheelchair. > Blue curbs. > In green curb spaces for unlimited time. > In spaces designated for merchants or residents. > For free at metered spaces.\* > [@Peremensoe](#): > > Really, anywhere they like? Loading zones, bus parking, emergency vehicle spaces, the judge’s spot at the courthouse, paid reserved spots at the train station parking garage? That is impressive. > > Well, I didn’t say anything about towing, or the law. > > Also, I don’t know why a genuinely disabled person with a placard would choose a reserved spot _farther away_ than the Handicapped spots. Just to be a jerk? **Morgenstern** clearly listed where a HC placard is valid, none of which is on your list. One reason is to park farther away is all the HC spaces are filled. Also, some might want to leave the HC spaces for those who might need it more or have wheelchairs to unload. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/68 "2015-10-21T01:11:16Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > **Morgenstern** clearly listed where a HC placard is valid, none of which is on your list. Yes, in a later post he walks back the expansive claims I was mocking. An allegedly disabled driver who bypasses the available spaces expressly reserved for him, and instead takes one allocated for someone else… well, if I ever encounter this hypothetical person I’ll be sure to tell him he’s a jackass. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/69 "2015-10-21T01:33:40Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Yes, in a later post he walks back the expansive claims I was mocking. Later? It’s the post right above yours. Look and see, I didn’t move it. In fact, it sat right there for 2 hours before you posted. > [@Peremensoe](#): > > An allegedly disabled driver who bypasses the available spaces expressly reserved for him, and instead takes one allocated for someone else… well, if I ever encounter this hypothetical person I’ll be sure to tell him he’s a jackass. Here’s the thing. Sometimes the disabled spots aren’t in front of the particular place the person is trying to get to. Instead, there’s a sign that says “Pick up for Tony’s Pizza only.” Tony is as shit out of luck as you are out of brains in such a case. The placard trumps Tony’s sign. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/70 "2015-10-21T14:16:06Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Later? Yes, later than the one I laughed at. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/71 "2015-10-21T14:23:27Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Here’s the thing. Sometimes the disabled spots aren’t in front of the particular place the person is trying to get to. Instead, there’s a sign that says “Pick up for Tony’s Pizza only.” Tony is as shit out of luck as you are out of brains in such a case. The placard trumps Tony’s sign. If Tony has any private-lot customer parking at all, the first space has to be an HC. ---
**Author:** ![IDtenT\_Error](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@IDtenT\_Error](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IDtenT_Error)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/72 "2015-10-21T14:24:11Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Also, I don’t know why a genuinely disabled person with a placard would choose a reserved spot _farther away_ than the Handicapped spots. Just to be a jerk? Speaking as the regular driver for a gimp, if all the gimp spots are full, we’ll park as close as we can, regardless. Of course, around here no place has anything but the required gimp spots reserved, so taking a ‘pregnant woman’ spot (or whatever) has never actually come up. But that’s why we would. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/73 "2015-10-21T14:27:29Z")
> [@IDtenT\_Error](#): > > Speaking as the regular driver for a gimp, if all the gimp spots are full… How often has that happened, seriously? I have never seen it, except when _all_ spaces within immediate sight were taken. In which case it doesn’t matter what allocations might be attached to any of them; you’re not parking. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/74 "2015-10-21T15:14:30Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Yes, later than the one I laughed at. And here I thought it was just your emotional incontinence that caused you to appear so slow. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/75 "2015-10-21T17:09:08Z")
I don’t know what “emotional incontinence” is, and would just as soon keep it that way. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2015, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/76 "2015-10-21T17:24:08Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > The placard trumps Tony’s sign. I understand that’s the claim, but at least in the MA parking laws I looked at I don’t see that stated. In those laws (actually in the FAQ from the RMV) it explicitly states that there are some restrictions that override the HC plate, such as resident only parking. I assume it’s true in some jurisdictions but perhaps not in all of them? And I suspect commercial private property lots are different than on street regulations. ---
**Author:** ![IDtenT\_Error](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@IDtenT\_Error](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IDtenT_Error)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/77 "2015-10-22T16:57:21Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > How often has that happened, seriously? I have never seen it, except when _all_ spaces within immediate sight were taken. In which case it doesn’t matter what allocations might be attached to any of them; you’re not parking. Maybe once out of every 5 to 10 trips, so often enough to notice, but not often enough to be a problem. When it happens I drop her off at the door and go park elsewhere, then pick her up at the door again when she’s finished. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082/78 "2015-10-22T18:44:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I don’t know what “emotional incontinence” is, and would just as soon keep it that way. [Depends.](https://www.depend.com/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ungrateful-muslims/735082.md?page=3)