# Unintended consequences of Russian invasions **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unintended-consequences-of-russian-invasions/960065 "2022-02-24T18:12:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unintended-consequences-of-russian-invasions/960065/41 "2022-03-02T20:33:32Z")
We had posters here (I think since banned) that would argue and bring RT cites. So, a lack of Russian propaganda is definitely a benefit, although small. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unintended-consequences-of-russian-invasions/960065/42 "2022-03-02T20:36:10Z")
With Russian cash shut down, I think that we’ll see a greater impact on media than just the disappearance of RT. This could be like the pandemic, where CO2 emissions and other human activity suddenly stopped significantly. It lets you get a clearer image of how big the impact was of all of that. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unintended-consequences-of-russian-invasions/960065/43 "2022-03-02T20:42:02Z")
Personally, I think Russian propaganda taken as a whole has had a huge impact on our politics. Putin got more bang for the buck with it than any other tactic he took with respect to damaging this nation. I am so glad we can finally begin to purge Putin’s unhealthy media influence on the thinking of our populace. I’ll bet he hadn’t thought through this particular aspect of his aggression. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unintended-consequences-of-russian-invasions/960065/44 "2022-03-02T20:47:11Z")
Maybe not “unintended” as the OP asks, but this tweet today encapsulates a conclusion much of the rest of the world is going to take away from this war (let me know if the link works, it may be broken): > ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unintended-consequences-of-russian-invasions/960065/45 "2022-03-02T23:24:12Z")
> [@XT](#): > > I would turn that around and say that it’s the Russian example wrt Ukraine that is demonstrating this to nations who want nukes or have them and are being asked to give them up. After all, that’s exactly where Ukraine was, and through negotiation, with both the west and Russia they gave them up. And how has that worked out for them? Yeah… I don’t have much hope for the Iranian nuclear deal right now. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unintended-consequences-of-russian-invasions/960065/46 "2022-03-02T23:59:57Z")
Conversely, potential nuclear states might take the lesson that having nuclear weapons does not inhibit other nations from crippling your economy, directly arming your opponents, freezing your assets and beefing up their own miliary capabilities. For a country like North Korea, none of that matters. But any nation that isn’t content to live in the Stone Age may look at what’s happening now differently. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unintended-consequences-of-russian-invasions/960065/47 "2022-03-03T16:45:34Z")
I’d say this qualifies as an “unintended consequence”: > **['Wanted: Dead or Alive': Russian Tycoon Puts $1M Bounty on Putin's Head](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wanted-dead-or-alive-russian-tycoon-puts-1m-bounty-on-putin-s-head/ar-AAUwRyZ)** > > The offer by the Russian businessman is one of the more direct efforts to target President Vladimir Putin for his invasion of Ukraine. My advice to any officer who wants to take this guy up on the offer: don’t take a check. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unintended-consequences-of-russian-invasions/960065/48 "2022-03-03T18:35:28Z")
Count down to Elon Musk offering to match… ---
**Author:** ![TheGunIsMightierThanThePen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thegunismightierthanthepen/32/2981_2.png) [@TheGunIsMightierThanThePen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheGunIsMightierThanThePen)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unintended-consequences-of-russian-invasions/960065/49 "2022-03-03T18:43:48Z")
My advice to this guy: from now on, watch out for strangers with umbrellas. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unintended-consequences-of-russian-invasions/960065/50 "2022-03-03T20:38:46Z")
Whoa…has anyone heard that Germany has started to discuss again purchasing the F-35, or at least starting to get serious about the Tornado replacements?? After pretty much saying it was off the table, are they actually talking about this again? Man…talk about unintended consequences. Even if they don’t go with F-35, that’s still interesting that they are even discussing this. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2022, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unintended-consequences-of-russian-invasions/960065/51 "2022-03-04T03:58:57Z")
I’ve always been disappointed the USA refused to export the F-22, which would be the perfect airplane for Canada’s specific needs. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2022, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unintended-consequences-of-russian-invasions/960065/52 "2022-03-04T04:27:46Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Man…talk about unintended consequences. Even if they don’t go with F-35, that’s still interesting that they are even discussing this. Well, I know someone who sells F-35s for a living. They have made comments to the effect that Putin is the best F-35 salesman they have ever seen. All of a sudden that fighter is like drugs - it sells itself. > [@RickJay](#): > > I’ve always been disappointed the USA refused to export the F-22, which would be the perfect airplane for Canada’s specific needs. Well, if you guys get together with Japan, you might end up with a compromise that matches both of your needs. Personally, if I had a choice of only one, I’d choose an F-35 variant, myself. If I could have both the F-22 (or the proposed hybrid) and the F-35? Oh yeah, I’d choose both. [Lockheed Martin's F-22, F-35 hybrid for Japan will cost $177 million instead of $133 million per aircraft - The Aviation Geek Club](https://theaviationgeekclub.com/lockheed-martins-f-22-f-35-hybrid-for-japan-will-cost-177-million-instead-of-133-million-per-aircraft/) ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2022, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unintended-consequences-of-russian-invasions/960065/53 "2022-03-04T04:37:31Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I’ve always been disappointed the USA refused to export the F-22, which would be the perfect airplane for Canada’s specific needs. As an ignorant non-Canadian, it seems to me the best aircraft for Canada would be the new [F-15EX Eagle II.](https://www.popsci.com/story/technology/air-force-new-f-15-eagle/) I would have said the Super Hornet, but now it looks like the USA is gradually phasing that jet out, with the result that maintenance and spares may be hard to come by down the line. The F-15EX would have two engines, which is good for Canada’s vast expanses so that it can limp home on one engine should the other malfunction. Canada has no need for stealth (unless it intends to fight Russia, but it doesn’t seem to plan to do that, and if things came to that, other NATO nations would be chipping in with hundreds of stealth jets of their own.) The Eagle II has strong air-to-ground abilities as well, if it were to deploy again to the Middle East or elsewhere like Canada used to in Afghanistan. Eagles, in general, accelerate quickly and make ideal interceptors. Am I starting to sound like a Boeing rep making a sales pitch? Ha. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2022, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unintended-consequences-of-russian-invasions/960065/54 "2022-03-04T06:21:14Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Could we imagine the formation of a violent _progressive_ movement that targets fascist regimes rather than targeting democracies, like the ones we’re already too familiar with? _Imagine_ it? Try _lived_ it. Been there, done that, got the scars and the voting rights to show for it. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2022, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unintended-consequences-of-russian-invasions/960065/55 "2022-03-04T18:28:34Z")
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