Unions in America: When did the narrative change?

N.B. The Stockton PD Chief just retired-he’s getting a $205,000/year penson!

Does California have a similar law, and did it cause the financial disasters there?

Not a union job though. Thanks for noting that the city and state (management) has engaged in irresponsible financial behavior.

Huh? I do not understand your point.

My climb up the economic ladder in life included several go-nowhere jobs, all lacking job security. My stint as a non-union waitress was an invaluable incentive to finish my college degree. I would have had to do the same amount of work to get my degree no matter where I was employed. In fact, I might argue that my waitress job afforded me more time to study because I could negotiate my hours directly with the owner and not have to go through union stewards to get a day off to take an exam. I made time to acquire skills because I saw a clear advantage in the long term.

You schedule your current job hours/ days off through stewards?

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No.
I am happily retired after 30 years.
>curtsies<

Please also note, my original statement was:

At it was in the context of unions responding to Scabs crossing picket lines.

Of course not. Because we recognize that individual autonomy in dating is sacrosant. We cannot say to someone, “Date, or marry, this person, not because you wish to but because it’s better for society.” Even though society requires that people date, marry, and reproduce, we simply let people go to it, without trying to mandate any results.

And that is, I contend, precisely the right model for employment as well.

I think I meant something different by “job security” than what you guys mean by the phrase. You guys probably have the correct useage. I’ll try to figure out what I meant to say. Basically, I was thinking about situations quite a bit more dire and chaotic than the ones you guys are describing.

Doesn’t the government already do this by (in a limited way) way of grant, student loans etc so that ALL people have the opportunity to go to college and better themselves.

The fact that we have over a 60% drop out rate in college is telling. I think it tells us that not all of us are slated to graduate from college.
If we want to help those 60%, we need to stop lying to them about how to move up in the world.

“Skills” are not limited to the general education provided by college. The government can train people on vocational paths as well.

but my beliefs are in line with how unions are perceived. Your’s are not.

Are they?

A majority (barely, but still, a majority) of Americans approve of unions in general. The poll was posted earlier in this thread.

Not that it matters. Your opinion is what you think of unions, but that doesn’t mean your reasons are the same as others.

Are they?

A majority (barely, but still, a majority) of Americans approve of unions in general. The poll was posted earlier in this thread.

Not that it matters. Your opinion is what you think of unions, but that doesn’t mean your reasons for thinking it are the same as others.

The thread is about the downward trend of union appreciation. It was posted at the start of the thread.

But you just said your beliefs are in line with how unions are perceived. I don’t think they are.

The trend may be down, but unions still win the support of a majority of Americans.

The thread is about the downward trend. It’s a question. I answered it. The reason it’s declining is because of what people see and experience around them. Or there’s something in the water. You decide.

Not that I know of, but the ammendment in question is a pretty damn good way to ensure that cities in financial distress have no way to trim their budgets. Thus, these cities will become a financial burden on the state, which will similarly have no way to trim costs…

No you said how they “are percieved.” That means now, not a trend. To make a trend, you have to have a change. What changed? Did your opinion change with it?

No, it means the perception of unions has declined over time. That should be clear from the discussion.