# Unite the Right Racist Scum **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471 "2017-08-12T22:19:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/181 "2017-08-13T07:15:22Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > They tried that in the '30s. Why don’t you pick up a history book sometime and find out what happened? > > This is a cancerous ideology that we can’t afford to ignore unless we want the next war crimes trial to happen in occupied Philadelphia. I have history books. Communists and fascists fought for control. And look what happened in the nations that they took control of. Communists killed more than Hitler. That’s glossed over. But are you going to eradicate an idea? No. So you have to lead by example. That’s what makes me shake my head with frustration at the tactics of the progressive left. They weaken classical liberalism through hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/182 "2017-08-13T07:18:39Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I have history books. Communists and fascists fought for control. And look what happened in the nations that they took control of. Communists killed more than Hitler. That’s glossed over. Look at what you’ve been reduced to - crying “But Stalin was worse!” in your defense of neo-Nazis. You’re pathetic. If you just plain despised violence and loved freedom of speech as much as you claim, you’d be saying that the Nazis and Commies were _both_ mass-murdering shitheads instead of trying to carry water. > [@](#): > > But are you going to eradicate an idea? No. You know where they _don’t_ have Nazis marching in the streets and murdering people? Germany. Because they don’t allow that shit. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/183 "2017-08-13T07:19:42Z")
> [@Amara\_1](#): > > So who attacked the march? Hint, only one group killed a person and left multiple others wounded. But you aren’t criticizing that group. You are consistently and only condemning the free speech rights of counter-protesters. And you keep blaming them, with little credible evidence, for the violence. Yeah, free speech doesn’t appear to be what’s driving you. > Wow, look at that, you were finally forced to throw in a comment about the “nuts” as an afterthought while lumping in everyone else on the anti-Nazi side as “advocating attacking those they disagree with”. Don’t worry, I’m sure you will go right back to attacking the anti-Nazi side soon. > > ETA on preview: well look at that, free speech got forgotten again and it’s once again all about counter-protesters being so dumb as to think free speech also applied to them. I mean _obviously_ they knew what would happen when they spoke out against Nazis. It’s almost like they wanted it to happen. Therefore, it was their own fault. Just like that little ol’ war a few decades ago. I don’t care what you are convinced of. Antifa and such violently attacking right wing groups was bound to lead to an event like today. They got it. Now, I don’t know who attacked who first. Whoever did was a bad person. Perhaps people will rethink their tactics. Or perhaps not. Maybe next time each side shows up and uses rifles and bombs. Who knows? That’s political disagreement in 2017. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/184 "2017-08-13T07:21:29Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Look at what you’ve been reduced to - crying “But Stalin was worse!” in your defense of neo-Nazis. You’re pathetic. If you just plain despised violence and loved freedom of speech as much as you claim, you’d be saying that the Nazis and Commies were _both_ mass-murdering shitheads instead of trying to carry water. > > You know where they _don’t_ have Nazis marching in the streets and murdering people? Germany. Because they don’t allow that shit. You grasp at any straw don’t you? And I don’t care about what Germany does. All I know is I’d never live in a country where I’d have to play a censored version of Wolfenstein. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/185 "2017-08-13T07:21:34Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Think of me what you wish. I disagree it’s a strawman. Reread this thread and others like it and you’ll see many don’t agree with freedom of speech. Don’t care if your feelings get hurt, Confederates and Nazis are special cases, **not enough to direct violence to them** , but to deal with them with the understanding that they are there to promote racism, slavery and genocide. Not to mention also a complete and absolute plan on stopping any freedom of speech if they do take power. And again: this case is about an extremist using violence to prevent the free speech of the ones against the extremists. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/186 "2017-08-13T07:21:34Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I don’t care what you are convinced of. Antifa and such violently attacking right wing groups was bound to lead to an event like today. They got it. > > Now, I don’t know who attacked who first. Whoever did was a bad person. Perhaps people will rethink their tactics. Or perhaps not. Maybe next time each side shows up and uses rifles and bombs. Who knows? That’s political disagreement in 2017. Somehow, I’m inclined to blame the group that supports _genocide_ over the one that doesn’t. > [@octopus](#): > > All I know is I’d never live in a country where I’d have to play a censored version of Wolfenstein. I’m sure you’re not interested in playing _any_ game where the Nazis are depicted as bad guys. ---
**Author:** ![Claude\_Remains](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/898d66/32.png) [@Claude\_Remains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claude_Remains)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/187 "2017-08-13T07:22:17Z")
Why does Hitler get all the glory when Stalin was clearly the winner at playing Genocide? ---
**Author:** ![Trancephalic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trancephalic/32/380_2.png) [@Trancephalic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trancephalic)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/188 "2017-08-13T07:24:52Z")
It’s only sensible to give quarter to cutthroats. Seesh. “They came for the Nazis an I said nothing for I am not a Nazi.” ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/189 "2017-08-13T07:25:17Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Don’t care if your feelings get hurt, Confederates and Nazis are special cases, **not enough to direct violence to them** , but to deal with them with the understanding that they are there to promote racism, slavery and genocide. Not to mention also a complete and absolute plan on stopping any freedom of speech if they do take power. > > And again: this case is about an extremist using violence to prevent the free speech of the ones against the extremists. If my feelings were hurt I wouldn’t participate in the thread. At the worst I get frustrated. Listen, I don’t like the violence. But it’s no surprise that things are escalating. And advocating physically attacking political opponents is leading to this. > [@Smapti](#): > > Somehow, I’m inclined to blame the group that supports _genocide_ over the one that doesn’t. I blame the people that attacked first. You do you. That’s what makes freedom so fun. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/190 "2017-08-13T07:26:07Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I blame the people that attacked first. You do you. That’s what makes freedom so fun. Then you blame the Nazis for showing up with clear intent to incite violence. So why are you still defending them? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/191 "2017-08-13T07:26:20Z")
I pray to the god I don’t believe in that my 91 year old Holocaust survivor mom didn’t see any images of people carrying guns and torches wearing Nazi symbols marching in her country. She lived through it once and still has nightmares and cries for her mother and sister, killed in front of her. Now, near the end of her life, for fucks sake let her have some peace. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/192 "2017-08-13T07:26:31Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Somehow, I’m inclined to blame the group that supports _genocide_ over the one that doesn’t. > > I’m sure you’re not interested in playing _any_ game where the Nazis are depicted as bad guys. I was almost feeling bad for calling you simple. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/193 "2017-08-13T07:27:57Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Then you blame the Nazis for showing up with clear intent to incite violence. > > So why are you still defending them? Yeah, I don’t buy that ridiculous argument. Heckler’s veto holds no sway over me. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/194 "2017-08-13T07:29:33Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Yeah, I don’t buy that ridiculous argument. Heckler’s veto holds no sway over me. You say “heckler’s veto”. I see democracy in action. ---
**Author:** ![Trancephalic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trancephalic/32/380_2.png) [@Trancephalic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trancephalic)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/195 "2017-08-13T07:29:59Z")
Hail Hydra! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/196 "2017-08-13T07:31:03Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You say “heckler’s veto”. I see democracy in action. So violent suppression of others’ rights is democracy now? How Orwellian. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/197 "2017-08-13T07:32:11Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So violent suppression of others’ rights is democracy now? How Orwellian. I thought you believed in free speech. Now you’re _opposed_ to the right of protestors to speak their mind? When did words become “violent suppression”, snowflake? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/198 "2017-08-13T07:36:48Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I thought you believed in free speech. Now you’re _opposed_ to the right of protestors to speak their mind? When did words become “violent suppression”, snowflake? Can’t you follow what you yourself, Smapti, posted a couple posts up? You don’t even know what the Heckler’s Veto means? Google it. Then respond intelligently. C’mon man. Follow your own line of thought. Where do you work that tolerates this sloppy thinking? Hell, I’d have never finished my engineering degree if my brain was as addled as how yours is appearing. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/199 "2017-08-13T07:39:45Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You don’t even know what the Heckler’s Veto means? Google it. Then respond intelligently. C’mon man. Follow your own line of thought. Nobody’s freedom of speech is impugned by someone else exercising _their_ freedom of speech to shout them down. Please keep up with the class. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/200 "2017-08-13T07:46:21Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Then you blame the Nazis for showing up with clear intent to incite violence. > > So why are you still defending them? > [@Smapti](#): > > Nobody’s freedom of speech is impugned by someone else exercising _their_ freedom of speech to shout them down. Please keep up with the class. Your claim that they showed with the clear intent to incite violence means what exactly? Anyone can make that claim. That doesn’t mean it’s accurate. I’m not innocent of assault if I claim someone’s dress or flag incited me and I attack them. So whoever initiated the attack is the guilty party. I’d just call it mutual combat at this point. Both sides showed up for a fight and got one. Anyways, I’m not going to convince you that fundamental liberties are important. And you aren’t going to change my mind that they are. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471.md?page=11)