# Unite the Right Racist Scum **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471 "2017-08-12T22:19:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/281 "2017-08-13T15:47:28Z")
Free tip: when accused of failing to denounce Nazis, the simplest rebuttal is to denounce them. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/282 "2017-08-13T15:48:51Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I am defending the right of people to have any political view at all. I am also defending the right of people to demonstrate for any political view without being violently attacked. No matter how misguided or vile the political view is. That is an absolute. And that also includes leftists waving red flags and hammer/sickle regalia, symbols under which a few more of my relatives were killed. > > If those opposed to the Nazis held this view, the Nazis would not get what they wanted - enormous exposure that will only, unfortunately, help them in their recruitment. That is fine, but you still look like an idiot, just to let you know. Again, there are thread for what you talk about and I do agree with BTW, \*\*but this pit thread was not made for that, this a thread to condemn precisely the scum that decided to take away the right of free speech from the ones protesting political views that are designed to take away their rights. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/283 "2017-08-13T15:50:43Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I am defending the right of people to have any political view at all. I am also defending the right of people to demonstrate for any political view without being violently attacked. No matter how misguided or vile the political view is. That is an absolute. And that also includes leftists waving red flags and hammer/sickle regalia, symbols under which a few more of my relatives were killed. > > If those opposed to the Nazis held this view, the Nazis would not get what they wanted - enormous exposure that will only, unfortunately, help them in their recruitment. The vast majority of the blame for the violence of yesterday, including all of the blame for what was by far the most violent single incident, should be placed at the feet of the white supremacists, not the counter-protesters. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/284 "2017-08-13T15:52:09Z")
Of course these bigoted jerks have a right to associate with other bigoted jerks, and they have a rigt to protest peaceably. Do you think that’s their intention: to get tneir message out? Not at all. They already know that other twisted, narrow, small minded people like them will find them. They’re not really doing their protests for information dissemination. What they want are (a) fearful local governments to violate their rights so they can get funding from the inevitable and justifiable lawsuit, and (b) counterprotesters to bring more attention to them, giving them–in their minds, at least–some veneer of legitimacy. Do you know how to shut these idiots’ shrill stupidities down? Ignore their rallies and disseminate your own information in a legitimate manner. Do not give them the attention they crave. And certainly don’t help them look like victims. By the way, when the ACLU represents these idiots, they’re not endorsing their views. What the ACLU is doing is defending _your_ rights. And that jackass who used his car to murder a woman bears all the blame for his craven act. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/285 "2017-08-13T15:54:02Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > But I get it, don’t touch the lefty haters who cheered on regimes who murdered 100 million people and enslaved 1.5 billion. They shall continue to be free to advocate for more of the same. Who are they? Are there people out there loudly supporting Stalin? Pol Pot? They sound like idiots and should be laughed at for the fools they are, though I’d like a cite. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/286 "2017-08-13T16:12:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The vast majority of the blame for the violence of yesterday, including all of the blame for what was by far the most violent single incident, should be placed at the feet of the white supremacists, not the counter-protesters. And of their Instigator in Chief. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/287 "2017-08-13T16:16:53Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I didn’t say started at the highes levels. The highest levels here has not vigorously come out against this. And since the Nazi supporters themselves are saying this is Trump’s promise made real, there is even a greater need for him to come forward. The other reason he needs to come forward strongly is that the white supremacists were invoking his name and, apparently as a statement, dressing like him. So, in the absence of a strong denial, I’m going to assume that he’s affiliated with them on some level. In addition to the messaging, Trump and his administration have advocated for a philosophy of escalation. How many times have we heard “If you attack him he’s going to hit back 10 times harder”. It’s like his prime directive. Does he really think he’s the only one allowed to react that way and that everyone else should respond proportionally? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/288 "2017-08-13T16:20:45Z")
Oh, hell, Ann, Trump **is** one of them. There is no need to assume anything. He is a flat-out racist who likes White Supremacy. Period. Full stop. No need to go further or guess or assume. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/289 "2017-08-13T16:42:32Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > How are “guns” relevant? No one got shot. Yes, the Nazis came prepared to fight. And many of the “antifa” assholes came with bats, chemicals to throw and prepared to fight. Maybe they “wanted violence” as well? ANYONE who shows up to a “peaceful rally” wearing home-made body armor (and some not home made) carrying a fucking gun is does NOT have peaceful intentions. I don’t give a fuck which side they claim to be on. In Charlottesville the majority of the armed-and-armored were on the side of the donkey-felching Nazis, KKK, CSA, and white supremacists. They guy who rammed his car into a crowd of unarmed people is on the side of Hate and Murder. Deal with the fact that this time it was a guy from YOUR lunatic fringe and stop pretending these guys are the result of someone else’s problem. This is the sewage in YOUR camp. YOU need to disavow and deny these assholes just like you constantly demand the Left do when it’s their lunatic fringe. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/290 "2017-08-13T16:43:51Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And… this does not describe communism? False equivalence? Stalin’s victims might disagree. You might want to ask some Chinese or Vietnamese immigrants as well. Or some Cubans who fled Castro. > > Are we going to ban speech in favor of anti-American ideologies, or aren’t we? Because they must be supporters of Stalin and Mao and other communists. > [@BigT](#): > > Not wanting to pick on you, but the lie pisses me off so much. Why do you keep doing it? > > This is not and has never been about speech we don’t like. Speech you don’t like is stuff like “Ghostbusters 2017 is a good movie.” > > We are discussing speech that promotes evil actions. We’re talking about people who support genocide and murder and violence. The more we allow them to continue supporting these things, the more likely we have this one guy who drives his car into people. If enough people advocate for something, eventually someone will be a “true believer” and actually do it. > > That’s the issue here. You can be a free speech absolutist all you want, but this lie that this is just about “suppression of speech we don’t like.” It’s about suppression of genuinely dangerous speech. As in, speech that leads to actual dangerous things happening. > > Yes, there’s a slippery slope if you apply it to everything, but no one is. The proposed limit is on advocating for certain illegal acts of violence. > > And this idea that limiting freedom of speech is inherently bad has to stop, too. There can and must be reasonable limits. We can discuss where they should be, but we cannot claim they shouldn’t exist, because that world (which we don’t live in) is a dystopia where you have false ads, people’s reputations destroyed, people killed by pranks, no perjury laws, no fraud laws, and so on. > > I personally think it sounds like a good compromise: you can claim that a race is inferior, and advocate for policies that hurt them, but you cannot advocate violence towards them. Seems a good place we could all agree on. If not as a permanent goal, at least a step towards it. BigT, the solution to Nazis is to stop giving them attention. DNFTN! ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/291 "2017-08-13T16:44:15Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So what? Let the cops handle it. Your suggestion is to let a violent mob enforce the law against assembly? I haven’t looked into the situation in detail, but maybe law enforcement could have stepped up a bit more. Maybe. I don’t know. I DO know that if law enforcement _doesn’t_ step up and enforce the law you WILL get mob violence sooner or later. I’d prefer to avoid that. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/292 "2017-08-13T16:45:40Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I join in your atheistic prayer. But to frame it in **octopusian** terms, it’s no surprise that things are escalating. Jews objecting to being exterminated by Nazis was bound to lead to something like this. That’s not quite octopusian. But you get a solid B for effort. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/293 "2017-08-13T16:46:28Z")
> [@Claude\_Remains](#): > > Westboro Baptist Church makes this look like a daycare for wannabe’s. You see, while the WBC is vile, they just mostly picket funerals. They don’t actually kill anyone. The motherfuckers in Charlottesville want to be the _cause_ of funerals. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/294 "2017-08-13T16:48:49Z")
I’ve avoided Charlottesville ever since seeing [these white people](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChyIYpzA4x0) acting bizarrely on the downtown pedestrian mall. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/295 "2017-08-13T16:49:34Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Of course these bigoted jerks have a right to associate with other bigoted jerks, and they have a rigt to protest peaceably. Do you think that’s their intention: to get tneir message out? Not at all. They already know that other twisted, narrow, small minded people like them will find them. They’re not really doing their protests for information dissemination. What they want are (a) fearful local governments to violate their rights so they can get funding from the inevitable and justifiable lawsuit, and (b) counterprotesters to bring more attention to them, giving them–in their minds, at least–some veneer of legitimacy. > > Do you know how to shut these idiots’ shrill stupidities down? Ignore their rallies and disseminate your own information in a legitimate manner. Do not give them the attention they crave. And certainly don’t help them look like victims. > > By the way, when the ACLU represents these idiots, they’re not endorsing their views. What the ACLU is doing is defending _your_ rights. > > And that jackass who used his car to murder a woman bears all the blame for his craven act. Wow! According to the logic on this board that makes you a Nazi! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/296 "2017-08-13T16:59:07Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Wow! According to the logic on this board that makes you a Nazi! Nah, only the ones ignoring the OP and acting like useful idiots to Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/297 "2017-08-13T17:07:00Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nah, only the ones ignoring the OP and acting like useful idiots to Nazis. The only idiots on the thread are those calling for murder of those they disagree with. And there is no obligation to virtue signal distaste or disagreement with any hateful ideology such as fascism, Nazism, communism etc when talking about tactics to influence others. Many in this thread expressed the desire that people are killed for holding a point of view. A few others think it’s better to promote a society that respects fundamental liberties for all. It’s very dishonest to paint those who are pro liberty as pro fascist and people are doing it in this thread for perverse reasons. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/298 "2017-08-13T17:14:52Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The only idiots on the thread are those calling for murder of those they disagree with. And there is no obligation to virtue signal distaste or disagreement with any hateful ideology such as fascism, Nazism, communism etc when talking about tactics to influence others. Many in this thread expressed the desire that people are killed for holding a point of view. A few others think it’s better to promote a society that respects fundamental liberties for all. It’s very dishonest to paint those who are pro liberty as pro fascist and people are doing it in this thread for perverse reasons. Just as you did in this post: > [@octopus](#): > > Wow! According to the logic on this board that makes you a Nazi! There are several dozen different viewpoints expressed in this thread, alone, yet you made the claim that “this board” would regard one reasonable post as an indication of support for Nazis. As long as you use such broad brush claims without regard to the multiple viewpoints expressed, you are participating in the actions you pretend to condemn. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/299 "2017-08-13T17:18:20Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The only idiots on the thread are those calling for murder of those they disagree with. Nah, you are still going for that explanation like an idiot. Again, me and many others have told you that we do disagree with the ones that do that; you are only attempting, stupidly I have to add, to make me and many others as if we are continuing to ignore that. Again, stupid. The OP already made clear to what you point out. The issue here is to deal with the ones that did use violence to prevent others to protest peacefully against racism, slavery and genocide proponents. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/300 "2017-08-13T17:19:46Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Just as you did in this post:There are several dozen different viewpoints expressed in this thread, alone, yet you made the claim that “this board” would regard one reasonable post as an indication of support for Nazis. As long as you use such broad brush claims without regard to the multiple viewpoints expressed, you are participating in the actions you pretend to condemn. So, of all the posts in this thread calling for murder and dishonestly attacking other posters, that one comment inspired you to respond? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471.md?page=16)