# Unite the Right Racist Scum **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471 "2017-08-12T22:19:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/421 "2017-08-14T11:41:33Z")
> [@Tee](#): > > I’m not clear on where or when to draw these lines, but forcing this issue is what the problematic people seem to want. They are not the Nazis of history any more than I’m a Norse valkyrie; they rattled a college town with a lot of noise and imagery… Imagery and a fucking terrorist attack. Let’s not forget that while Trump’s storm troopers have the right to march and spew their bullshit, they don’t get to commit terror (not yet, that’s more a second term thing for Trump). ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/422 "2017-08-14T11:44:36Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I’m not sure how on earth you extrapolated from the selected quotes (or any that have been posted) that we’re against those protections. I think this falls into the category of “You’re just making shit up now” Yet another ironic post.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/423 "2017-08-14T11:46:51Z")
Isn’t burning an American flag hate speech? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/424 "2017-08-14T11:52:47Z")
Is it? What violence is it encouraging? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/425 "2017-08-14T11:59:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Isn’t burning an American flag hate speech? Isn’t running down an American citizen with your car while professing allegiance to the Nazi party even worse than burning a flag? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/426 "2017-08-14T11:59:52Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Isn’t burning an American flag hate speech? No. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/427 "2017-08-14T12:03:25Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Isn’t running down an American citizen with your car while professing allegiance to the Nazi party even worse than burning a flag? That’s quite profound. Though I’d say what does it matter what party or god you profess allegiance to as you crash planes, trucks, or cars into people? > [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > No. Well the thing about hate speech is that it’s pretty subjective. People could make an argument that burning the national flag is hateful. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/428 "2017-08-14T12:05:22Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s quite profound. Though I’d say what does it matter what party or god you profess allegiance to as you crash planes, trucks, or cars into people? … It sure mattered to conservatives when Obama wouldn’t say radical Islamic terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/429 "2017-08-14T12:16:59Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Well the thing about hate speech is that it’s pretty subjective. People could make an argument that burning the national flag is hateful. Hateful != hate speech There was a Supreme Court ruling on whether flag burning is protected speech. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/430 "2017-08-14T12:29:47Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Well the thing about hate speech is that it’s pretty subjective. People could make an argument that burning the national flag is hateful. People could make an argument that flying the flag of a country that we fought in the biggest war in the history of the world to defeat is hateful. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/431 "2017-08-14T12:51:00Z")
> [@Hoops](#): > > So the fact that he is somehow reluctant to name American white supremacists as enemies is quite easy to explain: _he simply does not agree that they are enemies._ He loves “ignorant uneducated people” most of all. These are the people that made Trump University one of the greatest universities ever. He’s made no secret of the fact that he also loves bigots and hateful people — his top adviser was Steve Bannon for heaven’s sake. > [@Hoops](#): > > In order not to see that, you have to not want to see it, or not care. Can we survey the Trumpists here? **Octopus**? **Hurricane**? **Clothahump**? Do you avoid grasping the truth? Or just not care? > [@Smapti](#): > > Isn’t running down an American citizen with your car while professing allegiance to the Nazi party even worse than burning a flag? It depends. What color were these alleged “citizens”? Did you see their birth certificates? > [@madmonk28](#): > > It sure mattered to conservatives when Obama wouldn’t say radical Islamic terrorism. How dare you make this apples-to-oranges comparison? Obama was an Islam-loving nigger who should have been deported to his birth-country in Africa. Trump is Making America Great Again, and is our new Moral Compass. All right-thinking Americans are encouraging their children to study this great man (tied with Abe Lincoln and Rambo as greatest American ever) and to emulate his behavior. > [@octopus](#): > > Though I’d say what does it matter what party or god you profess allegiance to as you crash planes, trucks, or cars into people? Oh? You’re taking a stand against crashing cars into people? Didn’t you misquote the Washington Post as saying _both sides at Charlottesville were of precisely equal guilt_? Or was that your Ilk-mate **Hurricane**? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/432 "2017-08-14T12:51:13Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Hateful != hate speech > > There was a Supreme Court ruling on whether flag burning is protected speech. Well, since hate speech is protected speech in the US as well the Supreme Court ruling is irrelevant. People can burn all the flags they wish. I honestly don’t care. But without a clear definition of hate speech who gets to decide what is or is not hate speech? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/433 "2017-08-14T12:52:36Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > He loves “ignorant uneducated people” most of all. These are the people that made Trump University one of the greatest universities ever. He’s made no secret of the fact that he also loves bigots and hateful people — his top adviser was Steve Bannon for heaven’s sake. > > Can we survey the Trumpists here? **Octopus**? **Hurricane**? **Clothahump**? Do you avoid grasping the truth? Or just not care? > > It depends. What color were these alleged “citizens”? Did you see their birth certificates? > > How dare you make this apples-to-oranges comparison? Obama was an Islam-loving nigger who should have been deported to his birth-country in Africa. Trump is Making America Great Again, and is our new Moral Compass. All right-thinking Americans are encouraging their children to study this great man (tied with Abe Lincoln and Rambo as greatest American ever) and to emulate his behavior. > > Oh? You’re taking a stand against crashing cars into people? I thought you misquoted the Washington Post as saying _both sides at Charlottesville were of precisely equal guilt_. Or was that Ilk-mate, **Hurricane**? That isn’t worth replying to. It’s slimy and disingenuous. Boo! ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/434 "2017-08-14T13:00:41Z")
> [@Tee](#): > > They are not the Nazis of history any more than I’m a Norse valkyrie Back in the day, chins and foreheads and exactly ten fingers and toes to a customer were prerequisites for membership in the Master Race[tm]. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/435 "2017-08-14T13:31:00Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That isn’t worth replying to. It’s slimy and disingenuous. Boo! Then why the fuck did you reply to it? Moron. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/436 "2017-08-14T14:06:49Z")
**Hoops** , excellent post. I just copied it to my FB page (crediting you). You should send it, verbatim, to your local newspaper – they might print it as a “letter to the editor.” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/437 "2017-08-14T14:16:43Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Then why the fuck did you reply to it? Moron. Well, he \*\*is \*\*at least slimy.. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/438 "2017-08-14T14:42:00Z")
[Orangeanus reminds us](http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/14/investing/merck-ceo-trump-charlottesville/) of the point made by **Hoops** earlier in the thread – given his propensity for attacking anyone who bothers him at the drop of a hat, one can only conclude that neo-Nazi domestic terrorism doesn’t bother him one little bit: > [@](#): > > One of America’s most prominent black CEOs quit President Trump’s manufacturing council on Monday over Trump’s failure to condemn white supremacists. > Kenneth Frazier of Merck said in a statement: “America’s leaders must honor our fundamental values by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy.” > _Within minutes_, Trump attacked him on Twitter, saying Frazier’s resignation will give him “more time to LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!”… > _(emphasis added)_ ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/439 "2017-08-14T14:42:57Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Ah. So antifas are assholes but Nazis are not? Glad you clarified your position. You aren’t REALLY surprised, are you? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/440 "2017-08-14T14:48:29Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > You aren’t REALLY surprised, are you? [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20410631&postcount=334](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20410631&postcount=334) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471.md?page=23)