# Unite the Right Racist Scum **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471 "2017-08-12T22:19:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/461 "2017-08-14T17:44:25Z")
Piece Nazi shit, the shittiest kind of shit. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/462 "2017-08-14T17:45:12Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Yes. > > “This case” didn’t just fall out of the sky. > As I have said earlier, this march is a reaction to what has gone before. There is a real counter movement going on against the Leftist hegemony. > What do you think all this anti- SJW buisseness has been about of late? Why Trump was elected? > > If you call everyone a Nazi there are bound to be people that eventually will go "Nazi eh? I’ll give you Nazi! > > Undoubtedly there were real actual Neo-Nazis present but I highly doubt there were an actual 1200 real Neo Nazi’s. Of course there is a push back. Reprehensible people do not like having their inhumanity demonstrated to them. What surprises me is that they are doubling down on the evil and you seem not just okay with that you actually support it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/463 "2017-08-14T18:09:01Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Ah, so they are going for the ‘A white guy or Christian who mass murders is just a crazy outlier while every Muslim is responsible for Islamic mass murderers.’ standard tactic. > > This guy isn’t schizophrenic, he’s just a shithead. It’s the old standard, “lone wolf defense”. I call bullshit on it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/464 "2017-08-14T18:10:19Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Yes. > > “This case” didn’t just fall out of the sky. > As I have said earlier, this march is a reaction to what has gone before. There is a real counter movement going on against the Leftist hegemony. > What do you think all this anti- SJW buisseness has been about of late? Why Trump was elected? > > If you call everyone a Nazi there are bound to be people that eventually will go "Nazi eh? I’ll give you Nazi! > > Undoubtedly there were real actual Neo-Nazis present but I highly doubt there were an actual 1200 real Neo Nazi’s. Well looky here. What Nazi rag did you boilerplate THIS shit from??? ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/465 "2017-08-14T18:10:27Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > If you call everyone a Nazi there are bound to be people that eventually will go "Nazi eh? I’ll give you Nazi! I suggest to you that if someone’s response to being called a Nazi is to go, “Hey, you know what, I’m annoyed now, burn the jews” they were not precisely a shining example of reasonability before that point. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/466 "2017-08-14T18:41:13Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Yes. > > . Go and ‘Sieg Heil’ yourself away in the corner you little Wehraboo. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/467 "2017-08-14T19:15:20Z")
Threads like this are often very shocking to me, in terms what comes out of the woodwork. Like **Latro** – I don’t know this person from Adam, other than vaguely recalling that I’ve seen many posts from him (?). And now I read this and it hits me like a ton of bricks: I have this vague recollection that this poster exists, but never in a million years would I have pegged him as being so odious and disgusting in his views. It’s just unbelievable to me that such offensive inhumanity as what he’s presenting here has been revealed so terribly. I suppose the scales have fallen from my eyes, and it is very disappointing. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/468 "2017-08-14T19:29:42Z")
Conservative Idiot a week ago: “Black Live Matter is undeniably a racist organization. It’s in the name, people!” Conservative Idiot today: “Sure, these guys were throwing Nazi salutes, waving Nazi symbols, and identifying themselves as Nazis. But come on now. They aren’t REAL Nazis. Stop being so hyperbolic, people! And oh yeah…FREE SPEECH!!” I am laughing at the fools who dared to show their faces and are now reaping the [consequences](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/food/wp/2017/08/14/charlottesville-white-nationalist-demonstrator-fired-from-libertarian-hot-dog-shop/?utm_term=.3ae5af4848d3). They are weeping over their “FREE SPEECH” being taken from them, ignoring the fact that their employers have the exact same right. You have the right to speak your mind, and you have the responsibility to deal with the consequences, just like civil disobedients expect to go to jail when they break the law they are protesting. Only special snowflakes expect any different. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/469 "2017-08-14T19:31:29Z")
Freedom of speech is necessary. Let’s not, however, get confused about what it actually does for us. No, freedom of speech doesn’t mean that some shining beacon of rationality is going to talk racists out of being racist. We don’t allow racists to speak because sunlight is the best disinfectant, or because things growing in the dark are just more virulent and hateful, so we need to get them out into the open. No. The only reason to allow racists to speak is that we think the consequences to speech we do like would be too great if we forbid racist speech. Racist speech is a byproduct of freedom of speech. It’s not the _point_. It’s simply a _risk_. Just as there are medicines with more or less horrible side-effects, there can be speech laws with more or less harmful byproducts. Where we set that level is an ongoing conversation. There isn’t, in my opinion, one perfect setting for the dial. It’s all a matter of trade-offs. On another topic, if you ask someone who just hit themselves with a hammer if they want the pain to go away quickly, they will likely say yes. That doesn’t mean they really want to have their toe cut off. There are things we say that we just don’t mean because we are venting or in pain. But I do think some of the types of venting in this thread could be rightfully viewed as warning signals. If we let ourselves get too carried away in venting I do think that becomes how we think. Maybe not instantly, but I think it grows easier with time. What we reveal under stress is significant, because so often we are making decisions under stress. Who we are when we are angry is, well, who we are. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/470 "2017-08-14T19:43:55Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Yes. > > “This case” didn’t just fall out of the sky. > As I have said earlier, this march is a reaction to what has gone before. There is a real counter movement going on against the Leftist hegemony. > What do you think all this anti- SJW buisseness has been about of late? Why Trump was elected? > > If you call everyone a Nazi there are bound to be people that eventually will go "Nazi eh? I’ll give you Nazi! > > Undoubtedly there were real actual Neo-Nazis present but I highly doubt there were an actual 1200 real Neo Nazi’s. Wow. So some Social Justice Warrior hurt your feelings so bad you put on a Nazi uniform and picked up a Nazi flag, just to show them. Talk about your fucking snowflakes. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/471 "2017-08-14T19:49:16Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Conservative Idiot a week ago: “Black Live Matter is undeniably a racist organization. It’s in the name, people!” > > Conservative Idiot today: “Sure, these guys were throwing Nazi salutes, waving Nazi symbols, and identifying themselves as Nazis. But come on now. They aren’t REAL Nazis. Stop being so hyperbolic, people! And oh yeah…FREE SPEECH!!” > > I am laughing at the fools who dared to show their faces and are now reaping the [consequences](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/food/wp/2017/08/14/charlottesville-white-nationalist-demonstrator-fired-from-libertarian-hot-dog-shop/?utm_term=.3ae5af4848d3). They are weeping over their “FREE SPEECH” being taken from them, ignoring the fact that their employers have the exact same right. You have the right to speak your mind, and you have the responsibility to deal with the consequences, just like civil disobedients expect to go to jail when they break the law they are protesting. Only special snowflakes expect any different. I’m gonna think out loud here. At what point, does the talk about "second amendment solutions " and a new civil war (always about “them” or Trump being opposed in ANY way) finally become seditious talk? At what point is it finally seen as fomenting rebellion? At what point does “shoot the libruls” and “burn the kikes” become incitement to violence? I really want to know where the line is. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/472 "2017-08-14T19:52:46Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > This guy isn’t schizophrenic, he’s just a shithead. To be fair, recent studies suggest that those who are schizophrenic are more prone to be violent than those who are not. The guy could be a shithead whose shitheadedness has been amped up by schizophrenia. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/473 "2017-08-14T19:55:46Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > … I’ll give you Nazi! … Do it. Go balls to the wall. Then at least we can drop the pretense of “alt right” which is just Hitler Lite anyway. This weekend some of you finally showed your true faces. You candy ass snowflake. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/474 "2017-08-14T20:25:44Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > They NEED an enemy (really just a scapegoat) to keep their “great struggle” going. But that enemy needs to be a fairly safe one, so they won’t lose. Nazism is just one big virus that can never stop, because hate is its reason for existence and hate is what feeds it. They will always find or invent another group to try and kill. They have to. > > There always must be “The Other”. > > They are a disease. Actually, they’re Daleks. Most Americans won’t get the reference. But whether you call them a disease or Daleks a Doctor is still the cure. A Doctor who isn’t afraid to call out evil and sometimes make hard choices. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/475 "2017-08-14T20:27:23Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I’m gonna think out loud here. > > At what point, does the talk about "second amendment solutions " and a new civil war (always about “them” or Trump being opposed in ANY way) finally become seditious talk? At what point is it finally seen as fomenting rebellion? > > At what point does “shoot the libruls” and “burn the kikes” become incitement to violence? > > I really want to know where the line is. Worried you might get arrested for some of your earlier comments in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/476 "2017-08-14T20:29:57Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > If they fly the colors of the enemy, and wear the uniform of the enemy, and shout the slogans of the enemy, then I see no reason not to treat them as the enemy. I agree, Nazi or Confederate. There’s no difference today. They’ll be in Boston this weekend, and we’ll see if their act is cleaned up for PR purposes. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/477 "2017-08-14T20:32:10Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Worried you might get arrested for some of your earlier comments in this thread? You keep waving that Confederate flag, Hewey. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/478 "2017-08-14T20:41:34Z")
I like and fully endorse Freedom of Speech. When people are not free to speak their minds, you never know who they really are. When they feel free to say anything, you know who the bastards are. Freedom of Speech has NEVER meant freedom from consequences. The people who whine about how they’re ‘not that person’ are liars. The people who complain that they didn’t know it would cause them problems or that they should be forgiven are dumbfucks who, all too often, have this idea in their head that most people are like them but just won’t say those things out loud. Then they’re shocked that this isn’t true and/or think they’re being picked on by people who secretly believe as they do. I’ve been doing a lot of looking at people’s personal pages on FB the last few days. There are a lot of proud racists out there. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/479 "2017-08-14T20:52:09Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > OK, the language could be seen as mean-spirited, so I’ll make it nicer for you. 🙂 > > Septimus bullet 1: Trump doesn’t seem to regard white supremacists as enemies. He’s profited from the ignorant and uneducated, and Alt-righter Steve Bannon is his adviser. Do you think those are reasonable assumptions? > > Septimus bullet 2: You don’t seem to acknowledge Trump’s indifference to the white supremacy movement. Do you agree or disagree with him? > > Septimus bullet 3: Do you think running down people with a speeding vehicle is worse than flag burning? Does the race makeup of the victims figure into your opinion? > > Septimus bullet 4: Conservatives criticized Obama for not saying “radical Islamic terrorism” enough, because they thought he favored Muslims. Trump is now the American Moral Compass, but he’s acting worse than Obama ever did and is capable of influencing many people to behave badly. How do you feel about the way Trump influences our citizens? > > Septimus bullet 5:You said you didn’t think the religious views of mass murderers and assaulters mattered. Does that make the nature of their crimes less heinous? > > Is that better? Now that I can appreciate! First I don’t spend much time trying to figure out The Donald. There’s a reason I couldn’t vote for the dude. Well there’s actually a few. But that’s not the point of this thread. Bullet 1. Politicians of all stripes benefit from the ignorant and deplorable. I can’t blame a politician for his or her supporters. I think racial or identity based politics of all sorts is stupid. Bullet 2. Indifference to white supremacy? I don’t know where he stands on it. I guess that’s acknowledging his indifference. I think there are crimes of larger magnitude that don’t get 1/20th of this discussion and I find that interesting. Bullet 3. My opinion on that is clear to anyone who can read a Dick and Jane book. But to reiterate, I don’t care about flag burning. I care about murder. I don’t care about the skin color of who did the driving and who got hit. Bullet 4. I think Trump is a symptom and a backlash. I don’t think Trump is good for the nation outside of filling the judiciary. Bullet 5. I’m not a fan of so-called hate crime laws. Murder someone or assault someone and the harm that done is sufficient reason for society to act in a rehabilitative or punitive fashion. Wiccan, Satanist, Christian, Nazi, Communist, Muslim, Jew why does that matter for a particular case? To expand on 5, if there is a pattern perhaps finding a mechanism to undermine the religion or ideology is necessary. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/480 "2017-08-14T20:52:22Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > You keep waving that Confederate flag, Hewey. LOL. Flail some more. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471.md?page=25)