# Unite the Right Racist Scum **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471 "2017-08-12T22:19:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/641 "2017-08-17T00:51:41Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Is this ISIS acting illegally? Are we in a declared war with ISIS? That’s tricky actually. I’m not sure what ISIS can or cannot do legally in the US. > > Let’s assume they can march legally in the US. If so and they are acting peacefully than that is their right. Do I agree with their atrocities no. But if an ISIS supporter can march legally and peacefully I’m not going to advocate violently attacking them. Is this really a hard concept? What if they can’t march legally? Is it okay if ISIS can’t march legally? Is freedom of speech destroyed if they can’t march legally? If ISIS can’t march legally, what about other groups? Can it be illegal for other groups to march? Can groups be added to that list? What has to happen for groups to be added to that list? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/642 "2017-08-17T00:55:36Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > What if they can’t march legally? Is it okay if ISIS can’t march legally? Is freedom of speech destroyed if they can’t march legally? > > If ISIS can’t march legally, what about other groups? Can it be illegal for other groups to march? Can groups be added to that list? What has to happen for groups to be added to that list? I don’t know what the law is on that. I’ll have to do some research. If they can’t march legally I’d like to know why. Those are decent questions which I probably can’t address tonight. But at the momement I’m assuming they can. At which point I support their rights. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/643 "2017-08-17T00:58:39Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I don’t know what the law is on that. I’ll have to do some research. If they can’t march legally I’d like to know why. > > Those are decent questions which I probably can’t address tonight. > > But at the momement I’m assuming they can. At which point I support their rights. But if they can’t, is freedom of speech gone? You don’t need to do research to answer that. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/644 "2017-08-17T02:06:54Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Maybe if I saw more right-wingers beating the crap out of Nazis, I’d believe them when they say that Nazis are technically left-wingers. > > Also, tough talking Nazi from the Vice video breaks down in tears of unfathomable sadness: > > [Nonreligious Questions](http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2017/08/watch-neo-nazi-leader-cries-like-baby-hes-wanted-arrest/) Wow, that is sad and scary and hilarious, all that the same time. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/645 "2017-08-17T02:09:55Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > …In fact I think identity politics in general are stupid. That’s why I think people of color is a stupid and divisive phrase… That’s because this whole “government by the people” thingy is doomed to be no smarter than we are. And identity politics is a needful tool, its how the Irish became normal, how the Italians became normal, how people of color are becoming normal. Google gaggle, google gaggle, one of us, one of us. The people of color is a turn of phrase to raise awareness, to unite people of various heritages for their common good. It also allows a polite term for the subject (and it beats the shit out of “not white”.) When you hope to unite the Irish and the Italians, first thing is teaching them a more progressive vocabulary than “wop” and “bog trotter”. A commitment to equality often makes for awkward public speaking. But that’s about all it is, no reason to get all knickertwisted. Fuhgeddaboutit! Oh, this. “…Just like I don’t understand why people and professors are communists…” Can you show us on this doll where the lefty professor touched your mind? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/646 "2017-08-17T03:10:50Z")
And…even the credit card companies are saying they’ve had enough of the hate groups. [Bloomberg - Are you a robot?](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-16/discover-ends-dealings-with-hate-groups-after-charlottesville)? ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/647 "2017-08-17T03:39:58Z")
Damn, that “invisible hand of the market” might exist after all. Not too invisible, mind you. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/648 "2017-08-17T04:18:35Z")
Well, the other side of that is that they had no problems taking that money until now. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/649 "2017-08-17T06:12:43Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > . > > They’re all Nazis. Every last fucking one of them. You march with them, you are them. You defend them, you are them. If you don’t say what I want you to say, you are them. Hell I’ll even said you said things you didn’t say, to make you them. And now I can wallow in my fantasies of murdering people, without punishment or consequence, because I’m the good guy and ALL others are the bad guys. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/650 "2017-08-17T07:04:13Z")
Mental note: **Latro** is kind of stupid. For the record, there are only three scenarios where marching with people carrying Nazi flags and chanting Nazi slogans doesn’t make you a Nazi: 1. You are an undercover federal agent; 2. You are a journalist looking to shed light on the movement; 3. You are Zelig and are just coming to from your fugue state. Any other scenario, you are a Nazi. Further, if you spend time and effort trying to argue that some people marching with Nazis aren’t Nazis, you’re a fucking asshole. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/651 "2017-08-17T07:34:51Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I don’t know what the law is on that. I’ll have to do some research. If they can’t march legally I’d like to know why. > > Those are decent questions which I probably can’t address tonight. > > But at the momement I’m assuming they can. At which point I support their rights. Assuming you are merely a tireless defender of civil liberties, I’m sure your posting history is littered with examples of impassioned defenses of non-Nazi Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/652 "2017-08-17T07:36:26Z")
Or they could be proponents of free speech or anti AntiFa or, as noted, just trolling youths. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/653 "2017-08-17T07:37:49Z")
I say let them march. Then raise money for the opposition from it like these guys did. > **[German Town Pranks Neo-Nazis By Turning Their March Into Charity Walkathon](https://www.vice.com/en/article/pa89zz/german-town-pranks-neo-nazis-by-turning-their-march-into-charity-walkathon)** > > A Bavarian town tricked a group of neo-Nazis into raising $12,000 for an organization that assists people who want to leave extremist groups. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/654 "2017-08-17T09:21:54Z")
I say let them march and leave them be, because I think their true numbers are small. I gather that the call went wide for the Fourth Retch to gather by the thousands. Well, did they? Do they even have thousands to gather? How many people hassling in the streets of Charlottesville actually lived there? When and where will the Aryan Brotherhood put up a candidate for office? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/655 "2017-08-17T09:22:28Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Or they could be proponents of free speech or anti AntiFa or, as noted, just trolling youths. Like I said, kind of stupid and a fucking asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/656 "2017-08-17T09:37:12Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I say let them march and leave them be, because I think their true numbers are small. ? Exactly. And when those who are there for the lolz, or southern pride or whatever see what company they are keeping with the real Nazi’s they’ll be disillusioned pretty quick. Calling just about everyone a Nazi and physically attacking them was very wrong. Violence begets violence, doncha know. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/657 "2017-08-17T09:44:44Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > …How many people hassling in the streets of Charlottesville actually lived there? When and where will the Aryan Brotherhood put up a candidate for office? Aside from the current president of the United States? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/658 "2017-08-17T10:35:47Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Damn, that “invisible hand of the market” might exist after all. The invisible hand gives the neo-Nazis the invisible finger. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/659 "2017-08-17T12:57:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Can you show us on this doll where the lefty professor touched your mind? I LOL’d ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/660 "2017-08-17T14:21:34Z")
> [@](#): > > Can you show us on this doll where the lefty professor touched your mind? Right there, with a bicycle lock. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471.md?page=34)