# Unite the Right Racist Scum **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471 "2017-08-12T22:19:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/61 "2017-08-13T03:05:16Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Hmmm. Is WaPo a “both sides” apologist as well? Looks like WaPo is attempting to report facts in an unbiased manner. Isn’t it amazing what the MSM is capable of? Whodah thunk it. (FTR, I don’t blame “the Right” or “Republicans,” but I do blame the “alt-right” and the “Neo-Nazis.” And when people like Trump won’t call them out, I do think that their party affiliation may be a factor. But as I have pointed out, people like Orin Hatch have responded decently.) ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/62 "2017-08-13T03:08:06Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > Looks like WaPo is attempting to report facts in an unbiased manner. Isn’t amazing what the MSM is capable of? Whodah thunk it. But lots of posters here seem to think that’s “false equivalence”. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/63 "2017-08-13T03:08:22Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > If the right-wing protesters come out again tonight, I have no problem whatsoever with the police bashing their heads in or even shooting them like dogs. Equal justice for all applies even to the vile. Civil rights apply even to the vile. Yes, I throw up a bit in the back of my throat at seeing Nazis but we need to be better than thugs with swastikas and torch-waving KKK clowns. Bashing heads and shooting people like dogs are their game, not ours. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/64 "2017-08-13T03:08:26Z")
Imagine if Orangeanus had been President during tragic moments like the _Columbia_ burnup ("…it broke up and scattered over three of the states I won…") or the 9/11 attack ("…we lost one of the great pieces of real estate I helped develop…"). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/65 "2017-08-13T03:10:02Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > But lots of posters here seem to think that’s “false equivalence”. No, condemning both sides without specifying and putting the vast majority of blame on the white supremacist side is “false equivalence”. The two sides are not equivalent – one was marching for white supremacism, and one was marching against white supremacism. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/66 "2017-08-13T03:15:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, condemning both sides without specifying and putting the vast majority of blame on the white supremacist side is “false equivalence”. The two sides are not equivalent – one was marching for white supremacism, and one was marching against white supremacism. Apparently (at least according to WaPo) the two sides were just as violent. Is it “false equivalence” to point it out? Does your condemnation of the violence depend on the political views of the violent thug? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/67 "2017-08-13T03:16:02Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, condemning both sides without specifying and putting the vast majority of blame on the white supremacist side is “false equivalence”. The two sides are not equivalent – one was marching for white supremacism, and one was marching against white supremacism. The is no equivalency. None. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/68 "2017-08-13T03:18:01Z")
Yes, and Trump’s “from many sides” comment was apparently off-script. ---
**Author:** ![ataraxy22](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ataraxy22/32/307_2.png) [@ataraxy22](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ataraxy22)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/69 "2017-08-13T03:20:49Z")
So fucking sick of those who are still making false equivalencies. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/70 "2017-08-13T03:21:13Z")
> [@ataraxy22](#): > > So fucking sick of those who are still making false equivalencies. Damn right. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/71 "2017-08-13T03:21:48Z")
I think both sides came ready to scuffle. What a disgrace to the nation. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/72 "2017-08-13T03:24:03Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > I think both sides came ready to scuffle. What a disgrace to the nation. GTFO ---
**Author:** ![Claude\_Remains](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/898d66/32.png) [@Claude\_Remains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claude_Remains)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/73 "2017-08-13T03:29:45Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > I think both sides came ready to scuffle. What a disgrace to the nation. So true in this day and age of “look at me”. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/74 "2017-08-13T03:31:40Z")
From the NRA thread: [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/11/u](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/11/u)…-virginia.html > [@](#): > > Late Friday night, several hundred torch-bearing men and women marched on the main quadrangle of the University of Virginia’s grounds, shouting, “You will not replace us,” and “Jew will not replace us.” They walked around the Rotunda, the university’s signature building, and to a statue of Thomas Jefferson, where a group of counterprotesters were gathered, and a brawl ensued. At least one person was led away in handcuffs by the police. … “Charlottesville kind of made itself a target by deciding they wanted to remove this statue, and by stringing the whole thing out,” said Douglas Laycock, a University of Virginia law professor who is planning to give a talk on free speech Saturday as part of a “day of reflective conversation” organized by the university. > > Mr. Bellamy, 30, has himself become a target; he said in an interview that he has been receiving death threats. “When you have a black, young African-American vice mayor, in their eyes, who was getting too big for his breeches, they want to send a message,” he said. “They call me every kind of N-word you can think of.” > > The conflict drew the attention of two white nationalists — Richard B. Spencer and Jason Kessler, both University of Virginia graduates. In May, Mr. Spencer, who gained national notoriety after the election of President Trump, led a gathering of torch-wielding protesters to the statue, which depicts Lee on horseback. At a Ku Klux Klan rally on July 8, the state police used pepper spray to disperse protesters, officials said. … > **[Violence at Charlottesville rally prompts state of emergency](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...rginia-n792021)** > > One person died and 19 were injured after a car plowed through a crowd here on Saturday. Eight others were hurt from violence earlier in the day. > [@](#): > > …In videos posted to social media from Friday night, the white supremacists can be seen goading their opposition with shouts of “Jews will not replace us” and “white lives matter.” > > The display drew condemnation from local and university officials. > > “I am deeply saddened and disturbed by the hateful behavior displayed by torch-bearing protesters that marched on our grounds this evening,” University of Virginia President Teresa Sullivan said in a statement. “I strongly condemn the unprovoked assault on members of our community, including university personnel who were attempting to maintain order.” > > “The violence displayed on the grounds is intolerable and is entirely inconsistent with the university’s values,” Sullivan added. > > Charlottesville Mayor Mike Signer called the demonstration a “cowardly parade of hatred, bigotry, racism and intolerance.” > > He added: “Everyone has a right under the First Amendment to express their opinion peaceably, so here’s mine: Not only as the Mayor of Charlottesville, but as a UVA faculty member and alumnus, I am beyond disgusted by this unsanctioned and despicable display of visual intimidation on a college campus.” Some of the “patriots” brought their GUNS with them, because they are so FUCKING brave. They also, some of them, wore shirts with slogans that should remove all doubt as to what they really are… [https://twitter.com/AprilDelRario/st...210624/photo/1](https://twitter.com/AprilDelRario/st...210624/photo/1) [https://pbs.twimg.com/ext\_tw\_video\_t...pbVFtJWMWR.jpg](https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_t...pbVFtJWMWR.jpg) [https://twitter.com/AndyBCampbell/st...797377/photo/1](https://twitter.com/AndyBCampbell/st...797377/photo/1) THIS is the “right wing” and the alt right. THIS is the “values” people. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/75 "2017-08-13T03:33:50Z")
I have ties to the Charlottesville area, including friends who work at the University of Virginia, and have been trying to avoid the news while at the same time trying to find out if anyone I knew was among the killed or injured. So far it seems like all my friends are okay…but my heart goes out to the victims and their loved ones. Several years ago I went to protest a neo-Nazi rally in my town (not Charlottesville). That turned out to be a small group of neo-Nazis well behind a line of police, with a large, festival-like crowd of anti-Nazi protestors. Although I’d heard that Charlottesville was expecting a lot of neo-Nazis and other white nationalists, I’d been imagining that things would be kept under control and the event would be similarly peaceful. I’m very sad to have been wrong about that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/76 "2017-08-13T03:34:52Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Apparently (at least according to WaPo) the two sides were just as violent. Is it “false equivalence” to point it out? WaPo didn’t say “the two sides were just as violent”. > [@](#): > > Does your condemnation of the violence depend on the political views of the violent thug? No. I condemn violence and I condemn white supremacism. Today, the white supremacists bear the vast majority of the blame for the violence. Even if there had been no violence today, marching in support of white supremacism is monstrously evil and should be condemned. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/77 "2017-08-13T03:35:06Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Where were you when Antifa was burning Berkeley? Was that before or after the Bowling Green massacre? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/78 "2017-08-13T03:37:42Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > WaPo didn’t say “the two sides were just as violent”. The quoted part of the WaPo article definitely does not show that one side was more violent than the other. Could you quote the part of the article that makes you think that “…the white supremacists bear the vast majority of the blame for the violence” in this incident? Or is it because it is in your view ok to be an “antifa” thug beating up a Nazi thug vs. the reverse? ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/79 "2017-08-13T03:40:15Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > GTFO Allow me to clarify: many protesters and some small minority of counter-protesters came to engage the other side violently. It is a disgrace that violence broke out instead of simply relegating the white supremacists back to their dens where they belong. The tragedy is that innocent people were injured (one person killed) exercising their right to voice opposition to a vile ideology. I just wish we as a people didn’t find violence ever acceptable in the battle of ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Time\_Hockey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9adbd/32.png) [@Old\_Time\_Hockey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Old_Time_Hockey)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/80 "2017-08-13T03:40:38Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > I think both sides came ready to scuffle. What a disgrace to the nation. You Stringbean, are a disgrace to your nation. The whole world saw the Trump base in their real uniforms today, I know I sure the fuck did here in Calgary, despite trying to have a relaxing afternoon. Then your fucking shit heel president condemns violence, but not Nazis. He is a disgrace to your nation. And seriously fuck off you clueless troll. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471.md?page=5)