# Unite the Right Racist Scum **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471 "2017-08-12T22:19:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/81 "2017-08-13T03:43:42Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > I think both sides came ready to scuffle. What a disgrace to the nation. The racist douchebags who came from out of state (and the people like you and Trump who defend them) are a disgrace to the nation. The people who were defending their town and the right to remove the statue of a racist traitor with no historical ties to their community are just fine. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/82 "2017-08-13T03:44:50Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > The quoted part of the WaPo article definitely does not show that one side was more violent than the other. Could you quote the part of the article that makes you think that “…the white supremacists bear the vast majority of the blame for the violence” in this incident? > > Or is it because it is in your view ok to be an “antifa” thug beating up a Nazi thug vs. the reverse? My opinion has nothing to do with the article. White supremacists organized to have a march for white supremacist causes. They brought guns and other weapons. Counter-protesters showed up to oppose white supremacism. An alleged white supremacist drove a car into a crowd and killed at least one, injuring several more. _Of course_ the white supremacists bear the vast majority of the blame. If they hadn’t marched for white supremacist causes, there wouldn’t have been any violence. Yes, the cause makes it different. It doesn’t mean it’s okay to respond with violence (that actually helps the white supremacists), but it means that any violence that breaks out is inherently mostly the fault of the white supremacists. Because they’re white supremacists. There’s no “peaceful” white supremacism. It’s an inherently violent ideology. The very basis is violence and force against others. By all means, though, continue to make excuses for white supremacists if that’s your thing. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/83 "2017-08-13T03:49:41Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I don’t condone violence but this has already gone way past where it should have gone and right wing politicians have been hinting at this kind of violence for a long time. This is not a time for “both sides do it”. No more false equivalency bullshit. That ends right fucking now. You must not have been paying attention to the news for the past several years. Progressives have and are attacking freedom of speech practically every day. Were you calling out radical left violence when it occurred? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/84 "2017-08-13T03:50:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes, the cause makes it different. It doesn’t mean it’s okay to respond with violence (that actually helps the white supremacists), but it means that any violence that breaks out is inherently mostly the fault of the white supremacists. Because they’re white supremacists. There’s no “peaceful” white supremacism. As in - “of course you made me beat you up - you’re a white supremacist!”. What a great interpretation of the freedom of speech in the US. > [@](#): > > By all means, though, continue to make excuses for white supremacists if that’s your thing. As I already said, I hate Nazis. I don’t really hate “antifa” morons, I mostly pity them. And yet I would not go beat up either or advocate beating up either (although I would definitely advocate massive police presence and harsh police response to the violent offenders themselves - on both sides. As in, and I quote: “men in combat gear — some wearing bicycle and motorcycle helmets and carrying clubs and sticks and makeshift shields — had fought each other in the downtown streets”). Because they have the right to their views, no matter how repellent they are. Neither side has the right to employ violence to oppose the other side’s views. You apparently disagree. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/85 "2017-08-13T03:51:11Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You must not have been paying attention to the news for the past several years. Progressives have and are attacking freedom of speech practically every day. Were you calling out radical left violence when it occurred? Bullshit, unless you’re talking about a tiny, tiny portion of liberals/progressives. Extremists on both sides have attacked freedom of speech, but it’s a problem of extremism, not the left or the right. We’ve had this discussion before – I thought you’d agreed with me that such broad-brushing is both counterproductive and inaccurate. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/86 "2017-08-13T03:53:35Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > As in - “of course you made me beat you up - you’re a white supremacist!”. No, but attack straw men if facing the truth is too tough for you. > [@](#): > > What a great interpretation of the freedom of speech in the US. Everyone is free to say what they want, and others are free to confront (without physical violence) and challenge them. The white supremacists were clearly ready for violence, and at one point surrounded and pressed in and physically accosted a group of anti-racist protesters. The white supremacists initiated the violence. > [@](#): > > As I already said, I hate Nazis. I don’t really hate “antifa” morons, I mostly pity them. And yet I would not go beat up either or advocate beating up either (although I would definitely advocate massive police presence and harsh police response to the violent offenders themselves). > > Because they have the right to their views, no matter how repellent they are. Neither side has the right to employ violence to oppose the other side’s views. You apparently disagree. The white supremacists came ready for violence and initiated violence, and if the reports are true a white supremacist drove a car into a crowd of anti-racists and killed one and injured many. How can you spin all this so that the white supremacists don’t bear most of the blame? And further, what’s the point? How does it help you or Trump if the white supremacists don’t bear most of the blame? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/87 "2017-08-13T03:53:39Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > These Nazi LARPers will support tearing down the statues once someone points out the Confederacy were Democrats. Oh wait, that trick doesn’t work in reverse. > > It’s funny how white supremacists are scared of becoming a minority. It’s like they know minorities are treated poorly or something. It’s also funny how whites are the [master race,](https://www.reddit.com/r/beholdthemasterrace/) but they’re dying out because they won’t have kids. They’re basically pandas. > > If you’re frustrated with people who say that punching a Nazi is as bad as being a Nazi then you can graduate to full blown white genocide by breeding a bunch of swirled kids. Read what you just wrote. Try to decipher it. Should people advocate punching you in the face for your bizarre point of view? Is that what people want? A civil war? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/88 "2017-08-13T03:55:02Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Bullshit, unless you’re talking about a tiny, tiny portion of liberals/progressives. Extremists on both sides have attacked freedom of speech, but it’s a problem of extremism, not the left or the right. … and yet the Nazis are being portrayed here not as “a tiny, tiny portion of the Right” but as “the Right”. > [@](#): > > We’ve had this discussion before – I thought you’d agreed with me that such broad-brushing is both counterproductive and inaccurate. Yes. Tell that to people on your political side in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/89 "2017-08-13T03:55:32Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > … and yet the Nazis are being portrayed here not as “a tiny, tiny portion of the Right” but as “the Right”. By who? I’ve noticed several liberal posters specifically say they don’t blame the entirety of “the Right”. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/90 "2017-08-13T03:57:50Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Everyone is free to say what they want, and others are free to confront (without physical violence) and challenge them. The white supremacists were clearly ready for violence, and at one point surrounded and pressed in and physically accosted a group of anti-racist protesters. The white supremacists initiated the violence. And the leftist thugs did not “physically accost” the Nazis in the streets? Can you give me some cites that show the one-sidedness? > [@](#): > > The white supremacists came ready for violence and initiated violence again - cite for that? Specifically, that the Nazis “initiated violence” while the “antifa” moron’s didn’t “initiate violence”? > [@](#): > > How does it help you or Trump if the white supremacists don’t bear most of the blame? It doesn’t. For some reason you think everything I post is supposed to “help me or Trump”? Does everything you post “help you or Democrats”? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/91 "2017-08-13T03:58:31Z")
I call bullshit on the “not Republicans” crap. These are Trump’s people. Trump ran as a Republican, and Republicans let him. They supported him during the campaign, and they voted for him. It literally turned my stomach during the campaign watching Republicans do their ‘nudge, nudge, wink, wink, tsk, tsk’ routine whenever Trump raised the birther issue, among so many other white supremacist dog whistles, in their quest for votes and control of government. Anything – anything! – to appoint the Mercers’ bought-and-paid-for pick to the Supreme Court, Neil Gorsuch. Anything to reverse decades of progress in equal rights. Anything to destroy voters’ rights, foster misogyny and homophobia, reverse environmental protections, burn Obama’s legacy to the ground. All rooted in their discomfort with the black, brown and female. Discomfort with anyone different to them. This _is_ the Republican party today. With their support and defense of illegal Muslim bans, blind eyes turned to climate change, voter suppression efforts, willingness to use any and all tools to advance their selfish agenda, including co-opting these hate-filled losers with their Confederate flags and crazy open carry substitute-for-masculinity weaponry, this is who Republicans are. Listening to their pious, self-serving comments today, all I could hear was, “Nobody here but us chickens!” Gratuitous opportunists. Fuck them all, right up the ass. I don’t know how anyone supports or votes for these craven, revolting dickheads. Get us to the goddamn midterms, so we can stop them hurting more and more people. (Yes, there are decent Republicans. Many of them are leaving the party.) And another thing. The whole point of white supremacist ideology is to _oppress_. People against white supremacist ideology are fighting to _not oppress_. If you can’t tell the difference between those two things, then I wonder how you manage to remember to breathe. ---
**Author:** ![Claude\_Remains](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/898d66/32.png) [@Claude\_Remains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claude_Remains)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/92 "2017-08-13T03:59:21Z")
Read a fucking book, NOT that one! ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/93 "2017-08-13T03:59:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > By who? I’ve noticed several liberal posters specifically say they don’t blame the entirety of “the Right”. SteveG1: “ **THIS is the “right wing”** and the alt right. **THIS is the “values” people**.” ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/94 "2017-08-13T04:00:27Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > You can fuck off. Please, for your sake and the sake of those who care for, seek help. > [@Okrahoma](#): > > But lots of posters here seem to think that’s “false equivalence”. A lot of posters here are very biased. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, condemning both sides without specifying and putting the vast majority of blame on the white supremacist side is “false equivalence”. The two sides are not equivalent – one was marching for white supremacism, and one was marching against white supremacism. The majority of blame needs to go to those who attack people violently. Lately that’s been progressives. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Bullshit, unless you’re talking about a tiny, tiny portion of liberals/progressives. Extremists on both sides have attacked freedom of speech, but it’s a problem of extremism, not the left or the right. > > We’ve had this discussion before – I thought you’d agreed with me that such broad-brushing is both counterproductive and inaccurate. And you can say that about most of these despicable groups. Yet the broad brushes are out in full force. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/95 "2017-08-13T04:00:58Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > And the leftist thugs did not “physically accost” the Nazis in the streets? Can you give me some cites that show the one-sidedness? I saw it on TV live. Maybe you weren’t watching. If you’re curious, the videos are very easy to find, but I have no illusion that making the effort to find cites would do anything to sway your opinion. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/96 "2017-08-13T04:02:12Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The majority of blame needs to go to those who attack people violently. Lately that’s been progressives. Bullshit. > [@](#): > > And you can say that about most of these despicable groups. Yet the broad brushes are out in full force. So why are you continuing them? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/97 "2017-08-13T04:02:27Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I saw it on TV live. Maybe you weren’t watching. If you’re curious, the videos are very easy to find, but I have no illusion that making the effort to find cites would do anything to sway your opinion. And the TV did not show leftist thugs attacking the Nazis? Or maybe you just closed your eyes (since they really were doing the right thing, anyway)? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/98 "2017-08-13T04:03:21Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > And the TV did not show leftist thugs attacking the Nazis? Or maybe you just closed your eyes (since they really were doing the right thing, anyway)? It showed much, much more violence initiated by white supremacists than the reverse. Is this really shocking to you? Many of these assholes came with guns and in combat gear. One of them (allegedly) drove a car into a crowd and killed people. Of course they wanted violence! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/99 "2017-08-13T04:07:44Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > … > Several years ago I went to protest a neo-Nazi rally in my town (not Charlottesville). That turned out to be a small group of neo-Nazis well behind a line of police, with a large, festival-like crowd of anti-Nazi protestors. Although I’d heard that Charlottesville was expecting a lot of neo-Nazis and other white nationalists, I’d been imagining that things would be kept under control and the event would be similarly peaceful. I’m very sad to have been wrong about that. It used to be that silly outfit wearing nazis and skinheads could be chuckled at because: what the fuck are they ever going to accomplish, seriously? Now they’re in the fucking White House. Festival/party/ridiculing type counter-protests are in the past. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/100 "2017-08-13T04:09:00Z")
> [@Old\_Time\_Hockey](#): > > You Stringbean, are a disgrace to your nation. The whole world saw the Trump base in their real uniforms today, I know I sure the fuck did here in Calgary, despite trying to have a relaxing afternoon. Then your fucking shit heel president condemns violence, but not Nazis. He is a disgrace to your nation. And seriously fuck off you clueless troll. This. Only one side came wearing shirts with Hitler quotes and carrying guns. Only one side ran people over. So Stringbean, please shut the fuck up. And now to that other piece of shit, okrahoma… about those keyboard warriors… I was in the Army. I still know how to fight and how to shoot. If these assholes ever succeed in getting their “civil war” going, I will gladly join the “loyalists” side against them. As far as Trump goes, he needs to be removed. Legally, in accordance with law, but as fast as possible. His weak excuses for the NAZIs, and his “both sides” shit, same as you are trying to pull, for the NAZIs makes me want to puke. \*\*You both make me sick. \*\* * * * Every minute we allow this to persist through tacit encouragement or inaction is a disgrace, & corrosive to our values. - Hillary Clinton We should call evil by its name. My brother didn’t give his life fighting Hitler for Nazi ideas to go unchallenged here at home. - Orrin Hatch White supremacists aren’t patriots, they’re traitors- Americans must unite against hatred & bigotry - John McCain What " WhiteNatjonalist" are doing in Charlottesville is homegrown terrorism that can’t be tolerated anymore that what Any extremist does - Chuck Grassley The tragedy in Charlottesville this afternoon was domestic terrorism. We must all condemn hatred and white nationalism. - Rob Portman I urge the Department of Justice to immediately investigate and prosecute this grotesque act of domestic terrorism. - Ted Cruz [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471.md?page=6)