# Unite the Right Racist Scum **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471 "2017-08-12T22:19:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/141 "2017-08-13T06:05:38Z")
> [@ataraxy22](#): > > Jeezus fucking Christ there are a lot of fascist apologists here these days, from smarmy assholes like Shodan and Bricker who think they are leading authorities on everything, to out-and-out scum like Okrahoma and octopus! I STRONGLY urge the Moderators and Administrators to take a long look at what the SDMB is becoming, because it is not on a good path. Increasingly, when I want intellectual discussion and reasoned discussion, I have to go elsewhere. [Here’s](https://youtu.be/9rh1dhur4aI) a Youtube video of Richard Spencer getting punched in the face during an interview. You may find the comments section more to your liking. P.S. The grass doesn’t get any greener. Trust me. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/142 "2017-08-13T06:12:41Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s scum to advocate peaceful resolution to ideological differences? It’s scum to promote a truly liberal stance on fundamental freedoms? You are a cowardly retard who obviously can’t read clearly. Yes, I suppose technically, “I want all non white, not straight people to leave the country or die because they’re inherently inferior to me” is an “ideological difference”. But as has been demonstrated constantly, that doesn’t mean it’s deserving of respect or lively discussion. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/143 "2017-08-13T06:15:44Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Yes, I suppose technically, “I want all non white, not straight people to leave the country or die because they’re inherently inferior to me” is an “ideological difference”. But as has been demonstrated constantly, that doesn’t mean it’s deserving of respect or lively discussion. Well that’s fine. I don’t see a single person on these boards advocating that point of view. What I see is some people advocating that those who feel that way can peacefully express themselves. Others are advocating murder. Who’s the real danger to liberal society? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/144 "2017-08-13T06:19:34Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > [Here’s](https://youtu.be/9rh1dhur4aI) a Youtube video of Richard Spencer getting punched in the face during an interview. You may find the comments section more to your liking. > > P.S. The grass doesn’t get any greener. Trust me. The take from the Olly Lennard, the British Philosophy graduate from England: https://www.youtube.com/embed/267w2rSnB-Y?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque&list=PLvoAL-KSZ32fs6KX9IqqZY_0D4YXggcBN > [@](#): > > White supremacy as a general attitude has of course been around for centuries, but white > supremacy as an explicit political program, a plan for organizing populations using genocide, was distilled into its purest form (to date) by the Nazis. > > But it did not suddenly go away the day Hitler died, and now it’s on the rise again so it’s important that we know how to deal with it. It’s usually said that we shouldn’t engage with white supremacists in dialogue, because that’s what they want: they want white supremacy to be treated as “just another political issue,” rather than the necessary first step towards genocide. That’s why the received wisdom is the way we should interact white supremacists is like this: > > [Video of the white supremacist being hit] > > Why? Well, two reasons. \*\*The historical reason is that treating white supremacy as “just another political issue in the public sphere” is a mistake that we in Europe have made before. \*\* > > White supremacists don’t usually like bringing up the Holocaust as a point against them: they call it the “argument ad Hitlerum.” But as ContraPoints has already pointed out in their excellent video on white nationalism, if we’re talking about white supremacy and racial purity as ideas that are supposed to be guiding government policy, the Nazis, being the main people who actually took a crack at that, are pretty bloody relevant. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/145 "2017-08-13T06:22:30Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s scum to advocate peaceful resolution to ideological differences? It’s scum to promote a truly liberal stance on fundamental freedoms? You are a cowardly retard who obviously can’t read clearly. The followers of the Confederates and the Nazis are not there to advocate peaceful resolutions. ---
**Author:** ![Amara\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7993a0/32.png) [@Amara\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amara_1)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/146 "2017-08-13T06:23:32Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s scum to advocate peaceful resolution to ideological differences? You might be aware of the tiny matter of a war fought over those “ideological differences”. The one that led to over 60 million people dying over “Blood and Soil”? A woman was murdered today due to ideological differences. Similar “ideological differences” led to the murder of 7 black people while praying in church. Chanting that Jews, niggers and faggots would be “replaced” is what I’d consider a threat more than an ideological difference. _That_ rhetoric has already led to murder and other violence and you’re constantly eliding it to focus on the victims. There’s your danger to liberal society. Seems like if you were interested in peaceful resolution, then you’d be chiding those folks instead of the victims but your focus is on “People are saying don’t physically attack those who have a legal right to assemble.” And if the Nazis attack people, well that’s their own fault for …what exactly? The victim blaming has run from attacking the Nazis (despite the murder of the woman and others in critical condition), to simply being present, to speaking up against Nazis, to having counter-protests to …what’s the next excuse? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/147 "2017-08-13T06:25:26Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s scum to advocate peaceful resolution to ideological differences? It’s scum to promote a truly liberal stance on fundamental freedoms? You are a cowardly retard who obviously can’t read clearly. Just to be clear, you realize you’re defending **NAZISM** as being a valid political point of view that deserves respect when it’s expressed openly? My God, what a piece of shit you are, and the same goes for all the rest of you making any excuses at all for these people and their behavior. Nazis are **not** good people, they are **not** good Americans, and they are **not** patriots. Their ideology is insidious, vile, anti-human, and wholly against everything that makes this country great. (That’s what you want, right? For the country to be great?) Hundreds of thousands of **real** American patriots gave their lives to scourge this evil from the world once, and it’s the patriotic duty of any real American to stand against them with every fiber of their being. I don’t give two fucks if some of the “antifa” (and how ironic it is that you lot use “anti-fascist” as an _insult_) were prepared to defend themselves against Nazi aggression. This is not a “both sides do it” situation. These are not people who care about anyone’s “freedom of speech” besides their own and would gladly take it away from millions of Americans. The alt-right are enemies of the American people and if our president wasn’t a brainless coward he’d be rounding them up and giving them the same kind of treatment he fantasizes about giving to brown terrorists, and anyone who carries water for them is just as much of an un-American turd as they are. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/148 "2017-08-13T06:29:39Z")
> [@Amara\_1](#): > > You might be aware of the tiny matter of a war fought over those “ideological differences”. The one that led to over 60 million people dying over “Blood and Soil”? A woman was murdered today due to ideological differences. Similar “ideological differences” led to the murder of 7 black people while praying in church. Chanting that Jews, niggers and faggots would be “replaced” is what I’d consider a threat more than an ideological difference. _That_ rhetoric has already led to murder and other violence and you’re constantly eliding it to focus on the victims. There’s your danger to liberal society. > > Seems like if you were interested in peaceful resolution, then you’d be chiding those folks instead of the victims but your focus is on “People are saying don’t physically attack those who have a legal right to assemble.” That’s exactly right. I’m more concerned with the strategic concept of promoting classical liberal thought of individual and fundamental rights. If that means promoting the rights of those who hold abhorrent thoughts then I will. I don’t have any problem with promoting the rights of communist, Nazis, religious people, atheists, gay people, straight people, whatever type of people. Have I seen stuff that makes me rethink my commitment to freedom of speech, etc? Yes. And it’s hard to reconcile that. But protesting over or for a Gen. Lee monument is not a problem for me. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > The followers of the Confederates and the Nazis are not there to advocate peaceful resolutions. When they break the law arrest them. ---
**Author:** ![Claude\_Remains](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/898d66/32.png) [@Claude\_Remains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claude_Remains)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/149 "2017-08-13T06:31:10Z")
> [@ataraxy22](#): > > Jeezus fucking Christ there are a lot of fascist apologists here these days, from smarmy assholes like Shodan and Bricker who think they are leading authorities on everything, to out-and-out scum like Okrahoma and octopus! I STRONGLY urge the Moderators and Administrators to take a long look at what the SDMB is becoming, because it is not on a good path. Increasingly, when I want intellectual discussion and reasoned discussion, I have to go elsewhere. I’ve also often wondered where such intellectual and reasoned discussion is to be had other than here. And so I spend hours searching pornhub. Don’t ask Chronos about… Nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/150 "2017-08-13T06:31:32Z")
I don’t like **Bricker** at all, but in no way did he condone these people. I think he’s wrong about what freedom of speech is really about–it’s about ensuring the party in power can’t silence its opposition, not about allowing vile speech (obscenity laws were still created and still exist)–but he was just describing the law after being specifically asked to do so, and made sure to say he doesn’t condone any of these supporters, even not counting the violence. And, yes, this is fucking horrible, and I do hope these guys are punished. I’m fine with people feeling a bit violent in their rhetoric right now. And, while I don’t condone a violent war, I do condone a war on white supremacy. A full out culture war. Let’s stop acting like their smaller numbers are good enough. I’ve been lobbying my local area to stop doing business with known racists. These guys marched in public, so if we want to identify them and do the same thing, I’m down with that. Freedom of speech means freedom from the government controlling you, and freedom from having the government ignore the law. Any legal means to stop them is fine. Assuming these guys might be terrorists, since they seem to be slow to condemn this terrorist act? Go right ahead. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/151 "2017-08-13T06:33:26Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Just to be clear, you realize you’re defending **NAZISM** as being a valid political point of view that deserves respect when it’s expressed openly? > > My God, what a piece of shit you are, and the same goes for all the rest of you making any excuses at all for these people and their behavior. > > Nazis are **not** good people, they are **not** good Americans, and they are **not** patriots. Their ideology is insidious, vile, anti-human, and wholly against everything that makes this country great. (That’s what you want, right? For the country to be great?) Hundreds of thousands of **real** American patriots gave their lives to scourge this evil from the world once, and it’s the patriotic duty of any real American to stand against them with every fiber of their being. > > I don’t give two fucks if some of the “antifa” (and how ironic it is that you lot use “anti-fascist” as an _insult_) were prepared to defend themselves against Nazi aggression. This is not a “both sides do it” situation. These are not people who care about anyone’s “freedom of speech” besides their own and would gladly take it away from millions of Americans. The alt-right are enemies of the American people and if our president wasn’t a brainless coward he’d be rounding them up and giving them the same kind of treatment he fantasizes about giving to brown terrorists, and anyone who carries water for them is just as much of an un-American turd as they are. Your dumb ass can’t read either. And your dumb ass conveniently forgets that the ironically named antifa attacks groups that aren’t Nazis. People who just want to hear a speech get attacked by antifa. It takes a special form of retard, which apparently this forum has many of, to confuse the defense of an ideal with the defense of a particular expression protected by an ideal. How did you graduate high school? ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/152 "2017-08-13T06:36:16Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The take from the Olly Lennard, the British Philosophy graduate from England: > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=267w2rSnB-Y&list=PLvoAL-KSZ32fs6KX9IqqZY\_0D4YXggcBN&index=5](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=267w2rSnB-Y&list=PLvoAL-KSZ32fs6KX9IqqZY_0D4YXggcBN&index=5) Based on historical precedent, Marxism has led to the deaths of tens of millions. What is the metric by which one idea is combated in the public sphere as “just a bad idea” and another is unworthy of debate and must be squashed through violence? I enjoyed the video, but it doesn’t really tackle the issue of why using violence to prevent the expression of white supremacist ideology is morally acceptable, or even pragmatically effective. Unless you are a fan of the McCarthy proceedings, where lives were ruined in the feverish zeal to prevent a dangerous idea from gaining power in the political systems of the country, we have to conclude that even a vile ideology like white supremacy must be defeated for what it is - a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/153 "2017-08-13T06:36:37Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I don’t like **Bricker** at all, but in no way did he condone these people. I think he’s wrong about what freedom of speech is really about–it’s about ensuring the party in power can’t silence its opposition, not about allowing vile speech (obscenity laws were still created and still exist)–but he was just describing the law after being specifically asked to do so, and made sure to say he doesn’t condone any of these supporters, even not counting the violence. > > And, yes, this is fucking horrible, and I do hope these guys are punished. I’m fine with people feeling a bit violent in their rhetoric right now. And, while I don’t condone a violent war, I do condone a war on white supremacy. A full out culture war. Let’s stop acting like their smaller numbers are good enough. > > I’ve been lobbying my local area to stop doing business with known racists. These guys marched in public, so if we want to identify them and do the same thing, I’m down with that. > > Freedom of speech means freedom from the government controlling you, and freedom from having the government ignore the law. Any legal means to stop them is fine. > > Assuming these guys might be terrorists, since they seem to be slow to condemn this terrorist act? Go right ahead. Bricker probably is vastly more educated on the subject of free speech. No offense. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/154 "2017-08-13T06:37:22Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Have I seen stuff that makes me rethink my commitment to freedom of speech, etc? Yes. And it’s hard to reconcile that. But protesting over or for a Gen. Lee monument is not a problem for me. The OP was not about that sorry item you cuttlefish. It was not about freedom of speech, making one wonder why it is that you are so obtuse on that point. > [@octopus](#): > > When they break the law arrest them. Don’t mind then if they do. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/155 "2017-08-13T06:38:04Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It takes a special form of retard, which apparently this forum has many of, to confuse the defense of an ideal with the defense of a particular expression protected by an ideal. It takes a special kind of treasonous scumbag, which this forum fortunately has very few of, to believe that certain expressions are _worth_ being defended, let alone with as much vigor as you’ve been putting into it. You’re not fooling anyone with this “I don’t support Nazis, this is all about free speech” bullcrap. > [@Stringbean](#): > > Based on historical precedent, Marxism has led to the deaths of tens of millions. What is the metric by which one idea is combated in the public sphere as “just a bad idea” and another is unworthy of debate and must be squashed through violence? When Stalinists and Maoists arm themselves and start marching and publicly calling for purges, drop me a Tweet and I’ll call them out on their BS too. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/156 "2017-08-13T06:41:29Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > It takes a special kind of treasonous scumbag, which this forum fortunately has very few of, to believe that certain expressions are _worth_ being defended, let alone with as much vigor as you’ve been putting into it. You’re not fooling anyone with this “I don’t support Nazis, this is all about free speech” bullcrap. You have demonstrated that you lack the capability to distinguish so who are you to judge? I don’t see you bitching at the ACLU you ignorant fool. I don’t see you condemning all defense lawyers. You really just lack the intellectual capability to tell the difference between these simple concepts? Did they not teach civics or history at your school? Furthermore, no one needs to defend the right to express popular views. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/157 "2017-08-13T06:42:35Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > It takes a special kind of treasonous scumbag, which this forum fortunately has very few of, to believe that certain expressions are _worth_ being defended, let alone with as much vigor as you’ve been putting into it. You’re not fooling anyone with this “I don’t support Nazis, this is all about free speech” bullcrap. > > When Stalinists and Maoists arm themselves and start marching and publicly calling for purges, drop me a Tweet and I’ll call them out on their BS too. Stalinists and Maoists? How about the communists and marxists you can find chilling at the local university? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/158 "2017-08-13T06:43:09Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You have demonstrated that you lack the capability to distinguish so who are you to judge? I don’t see you bitching at the ACLU you ignorant fool. I don’t see you condemning all defense lawyers. I’m disappointed with the ACLU for taking this case, you Nazi. > [@octopus](#): > > Stalinists and Maoists? How about the communists and marxists you can find chilling at the local university? I’m not aware of any mass murders committed by my local university, you Nazi. ---
**Author:** ![Claude\_Remains](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/898d66/32.png) [@Claude\_Remains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claude_Remains)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/159 "2017-08-13T06:44:38Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I don’t like **Bricker** at all, but in no way did he condone these people. I think he’s wrong about what freedom of speech is really about–it’s about ensuring the party in power can’t silence its opposition, not about allowing vile speech (obscenity laws were still created and still exist)–but he was just describing the law after being specifically asked to do so, and made sure to say he doesn’t condone any of these supporters, even not counting the violence. > > And, yes, this is fucking horrible, and I do hope these guys are punished. I’m fine with people feeling a bit violent in their rhetoric right now. And, while I don’t condone a violent war, I do condone a war on white supremacy. A full out culture war. Let’s stop acting like their smaller numbers are good enough. > > I’ve been lobbying my local area to stop doing business with known racists. These guys marched in public, so if we want to identify them and do the same thing, I’m down with that. > > Freedom of speech means freedom from the government controlling you, and freedom from having the government ignore the law. Any legal means to stop them is fine. > > Assuming these guys might be terrorists, since they seem to be slow to condemn this terrorist act? Go right ahead. Start a sentence with a conjunction and then go full on retard? Tell us more about yer anti-racist lobbying. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471/160 "2017-08-13T06:45:55Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’m disappointed with the ACLU for taking this case, you Nazi. > > I’m not aware of any mass murders committed by my local university, you Nazi. Lol, you Nazi. I really can’t comprehend what it’s like being as stupid as your writing portrays. Are you really that dumb and uneducated or are you trolling? I can’t tell. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-racist-scum/793471.md?page=9)