# "Unite the Right" white nationalist march: Ugliness on full display. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 12, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444 "2017-08-12T15:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/201 "2017-08-13T06:31:32Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Cite? I have no doubt there are despicable people in the world, but I think I missed the part where a crowd in Virginia was “chanting for the murder of Jews and non-whites”. Did that actually happen yesterday? Come on. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/202 "2017-08-13T06:32:42Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Yes, I should certainly defend the rights of people who want to murder my family. Or, you know, not. Fuck Nazis and fuck the Klan. Sone people believe in free speech and some don’t. I guess we know which category you are in. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/203 "2017-08-13T06:34:04Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Come on. It was a serious inquiry. If you don’t have a cite, that’s fine, just say so. If you do, I’d be interested in it, because that sort of behavior would be egregious. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/204 "2017-08-13T06:34:57Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Cite? I have no doubt there are despicable people in the world, but I think I missed the part where a crowd in Virginia was “chanting for the murder of Jews and non-whites”. Did that actually happen yesterday? [Granted;](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/us/charlottesville-protest-white-nationalist.html) > [@](#): > > The turmoil in Charlottesville began with a march Friday night by white nationalists on the campus of the University of Virginia and escalated Saturday morning as demonstrators from both sides gathered in and around the park. Waving Confederate flags, chanting Nazi-era slogans, wearing helmets and carrying shields, the white nationalists converged on the Lee statue inside the park and began chanting phrases like “You will not replace us” and “Jews will not replace us.” ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/205 "2017-08-13T06:36:09Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Sone people believe in free speech and some don’t. I guess we know which category you are in. It’s very easy to defend the rights of people to advocate for genocide–which Spencer and Duke have done explicitly–when you’re not in their crosshairs. I’ll see how calm you are if an organized group with the support of the president advocates for the slaughter of Mormons. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/206 "2017-08-13T06:36:54Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [Granted;](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/us/charlottesville-protest-white-nationalist.html) I imagine you can appreciate the significant differences between “you will not replace us” and “murder Jews and non-whites”, right? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/207 "2017-08-13T06:40:27Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > It’s very easy to defend the rights of people to advocate for genocide–which Spencer and Duke have done explicitly–when you’re not in their crosshairs. I’ll see how calm you are if an organized group with the support of the president advocates for the slaughter of Mormons. Hopefully I won’t resort to silly hyperbole if it ever happens to me. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/208 "2017-08-13T06:40:54Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I imagine you can appreciate the significant differences between “you will not replace us” and “murder Jews and non-whites”, right? And I’m sure you think ["Blood and soil!"](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/white-nationalists-march-uva-torches-article-1.3404681)is completely innocent and not a cry for violence as well? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/209 "2017-08-13T06:41:47Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I imagine you can appreciate the significant differences between “you will not replace us” and “murder Jews and non-whites”, right? I certainly can. At this point, they are cautious about being explicit in their desire. If not confronted they will grow more bold. Not that they aren’t starting. > **[Here's What We Know About Sean Urbanski, The Alleged Killer In The University...](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/heres-what-we-know-about-sean-christopher-urbanski-the)** > > University of Maryland Police have charged 22-year-old Sean Urbanski with murder. The FBI is investigating whether the stabbing was a hate crime. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/210 "2017-08-13T06:41:55Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Sone people believe in free speech and some don’t. I guess we know which category you are in. Some believe in genocide and some don’t. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/211 "2017-08-13T06:43:19Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > I certainly can. At this point, they are cautious about being explicit in their desire. If not confronted they will grow more bold. Not that they aren’t starting. > > [Here's What We Know About Sean Urbanski, The Alleged Killer In The University Of Maryland Stabbing](https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasacks/heres-what-we-know-about-sean-christopher-urbanski-the?utm_term=.clGXNro86g#.qa5aK5bngw) So we’re in agreement then? Nobody “chanted for the murder of Jews and non-whites” in Virginia yesterday? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/212 "2017-08-13T06:43:34Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Hopefully I won’t resort to silly hyperbole if it ever happens to me. You know one of the people you are defending actually killed people at this rally, right? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/213 "2017-08-13T06:47:06Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And I’m sure you think ["Blood and soil!"](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/white-nationalists-march-uva-torches-article-1.3404681)is completely innocent and not a cry for violence as well? I’m not well-versed in Nazi terminology, but I certainly wouldn’t try to make the leap to equate “blood and soil” with “murder Jews and non-whites”, but it’s possible I’m just ignorant. Is there something about this phrase that should cause it to be translated to “murder Jews and non-whites”? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/214 "2017-08-13T06:49:35Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > You know one of the people you are defending actually killed people at this rally, right? I’m asking you to be accurate with your claims. I don’t consider that the same thing as “defending” them, but given your general imprecision with the English language, I guess It’s not all that surprising that you might. The takeaway here is that you can tell me you think they’re assholes without making stuff up about them. Doing that just makes you look like the boy who cried wolf. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/215 "2017-08-13T06:49:48Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Assuming you’re not joking: White supremacists have terrorized thousands or more living Americans (and millions more no longer alive). No group or ideology has harmed more Americans, or harmed America more, than white supremacism. Also, they vote. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/216 "2017-08-13T06:50:27Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’m not well-versed in Nazi terminology, but I certainly wouldn’t try to make the leap to equate “blood and soil” with “murder Jews and non-whites”, but it’s possible I’m just ignorant. Is there something about this phrase that should cause it to be translated to “murder Jews and non-whites”? [It was a specific aspect of Nazi idealogy,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_Soil) and a part of the greater concept of lebensraum; > [@](#): > > Richard Walther Darré popularized the phrase at the time of the rise of Nazi Germany; he wrote a book called Neuadel aus Blut und Boden (A New Nobility Based On Blood And Soil), in 1930, which proposed a systemic eugenics program, arguing for breeding as a cure-all for all the problems plaguing the state.Darré was an influential member of the Nazi party and a noted race theorist who assisted the party greatly in gaining support among common Germans outside the cities. Prior to their ascension to power, Nazis called for a return from the cities to the countryside. This agrarian sentiment allowed opposition to both the middle class and the aristocracy, and presented the farmer as a superior figure beside the moral swamp of the city… > > Neues Volk displayed demographic charts to deplore the destruction of the generous Aryan families’ farmland and claiming that the Jews were eradicating traditional German peasantry. Posters for schools depicted and deplored the flight of people from the countryside to the city.The German National Catechism, German propaganda widely used in schools, also recounted how farmers lost ancestral lands and had to move to the city, with all its demoralizing effects. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/217 "2017-08-13T06:52:48Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [It was a specific aspect of Nazi idealogy,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_Soil) and a part of the greater concept of lebensraum; I appreciate the information. Did I miss the “murder” bit or was it not in there? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/218 "2017-08-13T06:55:53Z")
I work about a mile and a half from the violence. Most of us seemed to be walking in a fog this afternoon. How did this happen? How could these evil awful ideas have such a following? I suspect when the numbness lessons it will be replaced by anger. How dare you openly bring this poison into our neighborhoods? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/219 "2017-08-13T06:56:34Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I appreciate the information. Did I miss the “murder” bit or was it not in there? In order to get all that territory the Nazis wanted for their new agrarian master race, they would have to “remove” the people who were already living there. Don’t tell me you don’t know how that turned out. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/220 "2017-08-13T06:57:02Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I appreciate the information. Did I miss the “murder” bit or was it not in there? Are you seriously that uninformed about the policies of Nazi Germany? Are you a holocaust denier? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444.md?page=12)