# "Unite the Right" white nationalist march: Ugliness on full display. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 12, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444 "2017-08-12T15:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/241 "2017-08-13T08:23:01Z")
No, there’s a point where abstract concepts of freedom of speech break down and become appeasement. ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/242 "2017-08-13T09:36:44Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > \*\*My wife was hit by that car. \*\* Only on SDMB now while i wait for information about where to go and make some kind of arrangement for animal care. Apparently injured, extent being determined. > > Not in the mood for defenders of Nazis right now. **Sailboat** , it has been a while… How is your wife? Are you both OK? I have you in my thoughts and I hope everything is going to be all right! ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/243 "2017-08-13T09:38:43Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > No, there’s a point where abstract concepts of freedom of speech break down and become appeasement. Freedom of speech in the US is about as far from an abstract concept as you can get. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/244 "2017-08-13T10:08:53Z")
Marches by men armed with automatic weapons, shouting violent threats, and going out of their way to physically intimidate, harass, and provoke violence, don’t fall into the category of ‘freedom of speech’. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/245 "2017-08-13T10:35:00Z")
> [@Arrogantly\_Ignorant](#): > > This is so fucking disingenuous. You _really_ can’t understand that a phrase, ripped from an ideology that advocates eugenics and genocide, brings with it those connotations? > > Your argument in a nutshell: > > Man:_thumbing the gun in his holster as he stares at his self-described enemy_ You feelin’ lucky, punk? > > You: He didn’t say he was going to kill him! Show me where he says that! > > By the way, why are you so determined to die on this hill? Your only argument is that those words were not actually spoken, right? Are you also arguing that using that phrase, combined with the protestators carrying torches and swastikas, doesn’t bring with it the ideology that those symbols and words stem from? Well said. Next he’ll ask for a cite that the swastika a nazi symbol. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/246 "2017-08-13T10:56:08Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > \*\*My wife was hit by that car. \*\* I hope she wasn’t too badly hurt and recovers rapidly. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/247 "2017-08-13T11:17:20Z")
My family has our [own history with Nazism](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=438855) but I think that this has been handled very wrong. Declaring a state of emergency and generally creating a huge fuss was the wrong way. I think they should have been allowed their demonstration with a minimum of fuss and publicity. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/248 "2017-08-13T11:26:56Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’m not well-versed in Nazi terminology, but I certainly wouldn’t try to make the leap to equate “blood and soil” with “murder Jews and non-whites”, but it’s possible I’m just ignorant. Is there something about this phrase that should cause it to be translated to “murder Jews and non-whites”? Really? It translates to “kill anybody who isn’t one of Us and is found in Our Land”. The original idea was that only those considered ethnically-appropriate (Blood) could live in the Land and any who weren’t appropriate should be cleansed (translates to “killed”); “the Land” wasn’t merely what one might call “the motherland”, but “anywhere Our Power can reach”, and the “unclean” was also widened to include those considered “traitors to the Blood”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/249 "2017-08-13T11:42:39Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > My family has our [own history with Nazism](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=438855) but I think that this has been handled very wrong. Declaring a state of emergency and generally creating a huge fuss was the wrong way. I think they should have been allowed their demonstration with a minimum of fuss and publicity. There should be a huge fuss when nazis want to march. That doesn’t mean violence or repression, but it should mean that we all get angry that these assholes still think their views are welcome in our society, and we speak out and confront them. They should never be unchallenged. Sent from my KFAUWI using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/250 "2017-08-13T11:47:52Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Cite? I have no doubt there are despicable people in the world, but I think I missed the part where a crowd in Virginia was “chanting for the murder of Jews and non-whites”. Did that actually happen yesterday? I don’t know about a crowd chanting this exact thing, but [we’ve got one](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40914748): > [@](#): > > “The heat here is nothing compared to what you’re going to get in the ovens,” shouted Robert Ray, a writer for the white supremacist website Daily Stormer. “It’s coming,” he spat. The crowd of alt-righters immediately condemned his comments in the strongest possible terms, of course. Right? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/251 "2017-08-13T11:48:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > [http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/us/charlottesville-white-nationalists-rally/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/us/charlottesville-white-nationalists-rally/index.html) > > “Fields’ mother, Samantha Bloom, told the Toledo Blade, a CNN affiliate, that he told her last week he was going to an “alt-right” rally, but she didn’t get involved in his political views. “I told him to be careful … if they are going to rally, to make sure he is doing it peacefully,” she told the newspaper.” Oh, \*why \*didn’t his family and pastor tell the authorities he had been radicalized? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/252 "2017-08-13T12:01:05Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’m not well-versed in Nazi terminology Then do yourself a solid and get that way before you post about it again. There isn’t very much complexity to it, really. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/253 "2017-08-13T12:05:15Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Oh, \*why \*didn’t his family and pastor tell the authorities he had been radicalized? And can you _believe_ the president refuses to say the words “radical white terrorism”? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/254 "2017-08-13T12:25:22Z")
The latest martyr has been identified as [Heather Heyer.](http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/08/heather_heyer_identified_by_fr.html) > [@](#): > > Family and friends have identified the 32-year-old woman killed when a man drove into a group of counter-protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia as Heather Heyer, a paralegal who was protesting against hate. > > “Heather Heyer was murdered while protesting against hate,” a friend wrote on a [Gofundme.com](http://Gofundme.com) page for Heyer. “She is a Greene County native and Graduated from William Monroe High School. Her mother (whom I will not name until she is ready) said ‘She died doing what was right. My heart is broken, but I am forever proud of her’.” > > Heyer’s LinkedIn page shows she worked at the Miller Law Group in Charlottesville, Virginia. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/255 "2017-08-13T12:40:16Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > It was a serious inquiry. If you don’t have a cite, that’s fine, just say so. If you do, I’d be interested in it, because that sort of behavior would be egregious. I’m curious why you think chanting for murder is egregious but carrying a symbol that endorses the genocide of millions is not. We have a poster whose wife may be dead or seriously injured, and you’re coming at us with this apoloigist bullshit? I’m honestly shocked at your behavior in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/256 "2017-08-13T13:29:24Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That was your grandmother and an aunt. Sometime I forget the person behind the screen has their own history and some of these topics aren’t so abstract. I apologize for any perceived insensitivity. Thanks, but I wasn’t offended. Your post just wasn’t making any sense as a response to mine. The quoted post I was initially responding to was asserting that since explicit calls for murder didn’t happen, Jews/minorities should not feel that calls for their murder existed. My point was the symbol carries the call for murder without any need to say it explicitly. My mother experienced what those symbols stood for as basic ideology. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/257 "2017-08-13T13:44:58Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I’m curious why you think chanting for murder is egregious but carrying a symbol that endorses the genocide of millions is not. > > We have a poster whose wife may be dead or seriously injured, and you’re coming at us with this apoloigist bullshit? I’m honestly shocked at your behavior in this thread. True red-blooded American patriots gotta stick up for each other. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/258 "2017-08-13T14:13:01Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > My post was three sentences long, and in order to come up with this, you would have had to have not read the first two. I’ll draw a map. The white supremacists here are affiliated with the people that Trump himself has invited into the White House. Trump is the leader of the Republican party. > > If Obama had invited violent leftists to the White House, your analogy might hold. But, as he didn’t, it doesn’t. I didn’t make an analogy. I asked two questions. The first was meant to find out if the connection you made between the rally and the Republican Party was based solely on BS about hand signals. It apparently was. The second question was to provide you with some perspective. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/259 "2017-08-13T14:24:50Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I don’t know about a crowd chanting this exact thing, but [we’ve got one](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40914748): > > The crowd of alt-righters immediately condemned his comments in the strongest possible terms, of course. Right? I’m sure there’ll be tsking. After all, someone editorialized by saying he SPAT. Gosh, that’s not objective reporting, now, is it? If only both sides could just simmer down! ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/260 "2017-08-13T14:42:29Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I didn’t make an analogy. I asked two questions. The first was meant to find out if the connection you made between the rally and the Republican Party was based solely on BS about hand signals. It apparently was… Nice republicans chanting [Heil Trump](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic1yRK5Ld0s) while making Nazi salutes good enough for you? This was a GOP march. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444.md?page=14)