# "Unite the Right" white nationalist march: Ugliness on full display. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 12, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444 "2017-08-12T15:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/341 "2017-08-13T18:54:18Z")
**sailboat** - I hope for a speedy recovery. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yes, it is. It was a bit of an extreme example to establish the baseline that displaying a Nazi flag does not always mean those individuals are calling for murder or genocide. Can we at least agree on that simple truth? No, dude. Displaying a nazi flag may not mean the person supports murder and genocide, but it’s close enough that I wouldn’t care to try and split that hair. Just no. if a person displays a nazi flag, I’m comfortable calling that person a genocide supporting asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/342 "2017-08-13T18:58:40Z")
I feel like, of all the people who deserve the benefit of a doubt with regard to intent, Nazis aren’t among them. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/343 "2017-08-13T19:03:13Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > … Displaying a nazi flag may not mean the person supports murder and genocide, but it’s close enough that I wouldn’t care to try and split that hair. … Yeah, in hindsight it hasn’t been worth the hassle. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/344 "2017-08-13T19:03:21Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I feel like, of all the people who deserve the benefit of a doubt with regard to intent, Nazis aren’t among them. For crying out loud. Nazis are evil scum. Yet even evil scum have the right to demonstrate without being violently attacked, just like everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/345 "2017-08-13T19:04:54Z")
The murdered victim of the Nazi scum has been identified as Heather heyer, 32. I sure hope that is not **Sailboat’s** wife. The sad fact is we have a filthy piece of trash for President, one who has a long history of pandering to white extremists. And we have some real pieces of trash on this Board who feel no compunction about defending Nazism, belying the simplistic notion that this Board is any sort of “family.” I put trash like that on Ignore, and I would caution other not to feed the trolls. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/346 "2017-08-13T19:10:53Z")
The Nazis chanting “Hail Trump” as they marched. [https://twitter.com/justinhendrix/status/896466579583533056](https://twitter.com/justinhendrix/status/896466579583533056) ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/347 "2017-08-13T19:13:23Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > The murdered victim of the Nazi scum has been identified as Heather heyer, 32. I sure hope that is not **Sailboat’s** wife. > > The sad fact is we have a filthy piece of trash for President, one who has a long history of pandering to white extremists. And we have some real pieces of trash on this Board who feel no compunction about defending Nazism, belying the simplistic notion that this Board is any sort of “family.” I put trash like that on Ignore, and I would caution other not to feed the trolls. I’m losing track of these similarly named threads. Thought this was the Pit thread. My apologies if I just broke any MPSIMS rules. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/348 "2017-08-13T19:13:33Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > For crying out loud. Nazis are evil scum. Yet even evil scum have the right to demonstrate without being violently attacked, just like everyone else. For crying out loud. I never said they shouldn’t have the right to demonstrate without being violently attacked. I’ve explicitly stated otherwise in this thread and many others today. Hey look, here it is in the pit thread I started that you are participating in. I’ve said it four or five times today but [here I am calling out violent rhetoric](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20408809&postcount=48) in that very thread. Pay attention to the subject of the conversation before assuming you know where I stand. As regards whether a Nazi’s swastika flag means ‘‘kill all the Jews’’ or ''well maybe not kill, but let’s just deport them, okay?" I’m giving them no benefit of the doubt. They advocate genocide. Period. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/349 "2017-08-13T19:17:46Z")
Yeah, you did. No warning issued. > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > The murdered victim of the Nazi scum has been identified as Heather heyer, 32. I sure hope that is not **Sailboat’s** wife. > > The sad fact is we have a filthy piece of trash for President, one who has a long history of pandering to white extremists. And we have some real pieces of trash on this Board who feel no compunction about defending Nazism, belying the simplistic notion that this Board is any sort of “family.” I put trash like that on Ignore, and I would caution other not to feed the trolls. > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I’m losing track of these similarly named threads. Thought this was the Pit thread. My apologies if I just broke any MPSIMS rules. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/350 "2017-08-13T19:18:00Z")
> [@treis](#): > > It’s not a defense of Nazis. It’s a defense of free speech and the right to protest. There were white nationalist in riot gears and carrying torches ! They were there to more than protest ,they were there to terrorize people and do bodily harm to innocent people and took great care to protect their cowardly self ! 19 people were ran over and one killed and 2 police were killed were their copper cash. And one of those people injury is on of our member’s wife and I hope she will have a speedy recovery. I have tears in eyes as I type this . This was my biggest fear when trump won there were going to riots started by KKK etc . If this is now trump going “to made America ‘great’ again” I want no part of it ! ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/351 "2017-08-13T19:18:55Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > On the other hand, for someone who’s family was not directly affected, who is not Jewish or Rom or homosexual or one of the specifically targeted groups, not knowing the phrase “blood and soil” or the hidden subtext within it is not so unlikely. > > You can be ignorant of these things without being a Holocaust denier, or Nazi. > > We should fight ignorance, not each other. OTOH, when informed about these things, HurricaneDitka continued to insist that it wasn’t really “chanting for murder”. He went on to try and pretend that the Charlottesville Nazis, carrying a Nazi flag while chanting Nazi slogans, might be doing it for any number of innocent reasons. That makes him a Nazi apologist. This isn’t fighting him. It’s just calling a spade, a spade. You want to hold his hand and try to woo him with sweet reason, you go right ahead. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/352 "2017-08-13T19:36:50Z")
By now the only reason I’m coming to this thread is to find out if **Sailboat** has posted about his wife. Not that he has to, but I want some hopeful news. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/353 "2017-08-13T19:38:16Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I admit that some arguments to that effect were made in this thread. > > But that does not appear to be current ongoing argument. It’s all about minimizing what these Nazi “protesters” did. You have them called just “not nice.” You hear their symbols being treated as not meaning what they obviously mean. We have them using the chants used on Jews as not condoning violence. We have looking for excuses for why the terrorist might not be a Nazi. We have arguments about how the far left is just as bad. I think the semantic nit picking here is around whether or not Nazis regalia should be considered inciting violence and therefore banned. That’s the start of a slippery slope, but admittedly the Nazis are way way up that slope. I don’t think our democracy collapses if we banned Nazi rallies but I don’t see it making a difference. The same people with the same ideas would March, just minus the Nazi stuff. > [@BigT](#): > > And then, let’s look at how the right reacts to BLM. Do they see most of them as good upstanding individuals who are championing for things they disagree with? No, they’re violent thugs, based on the small amount of violence. Antifa is a terrorist organization for the same reason. > > Normally it takes one act of violence for you to stop with the freedom of speech arguments. But here you are still making it. Sure seems like you are just using it to defend the awful things on the right. > > And don’t get me started with the whole SJW thing, where the right is constantly arguing they should not be allowed to protest someone coming to speak on their colleges. Conveniently, the left is always violent, while the right isn’t. > > Just in general, it’s hard to think the right cares about actual freedom of speech. At least, the more vocal right. > > Oh, and **Sailboat** , I am so sorry. This shit should not have happened. I really do hope she’s okay. And I hope you’re just staying away because you know it would make you angry to read this stuff. > > This terrorist is one of those guys who make me hope hell does indeed exist. Clearly there’s hypocracy on both sides. Personally, I don’t see it as a left/right continuum. It’s more like a horseshoe where the extremes on both sides are more similar to each other than the middle. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/354 "2017-08-13T19:40:57Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > By now the only reason I’m coming to this thread is to find out if **Sailboat** has posted about his wife. > > Not that he has to, but I want some hopeful news. At least the victim [was not his wife](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/heather-heyer-charlottesville-victim.html). ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/355 "2017-08-13T19:42:52Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yeah, in hindsight it hasn’t been worth the hassle. Yet you continue. Or else you would have said it “wasn’t worth the hassle” rather than the present-tense “has not been worth the hassle”. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/356 "2017-08-13T19:43:40Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Yet you continue. Or else you would have said it “wasn’t worth the hassle” rather than the present-tense “has not been worth the hassle”. I think this is another hair-splitting that’s not worth the hassle. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/357 "2017-08-13T19:46:01Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yeah, in hindsight it hasn’t been worth the hassle. You still don’t get it, which is weird because it’s really simple. Like, not complicated or confusing at all. Hmm. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/358 "2017-08-13T19:47:08Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > You still don’t get it, which is weird because it’s really simple. Like, not complicated or confusing at all. Hmm. Right? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/359 "2017-08-13T19:56:22Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > You’re a real piece of work. I’m reminded of how some Republicans insisted that Bush didn’t have people tortured. I’m about to be reminded of how other Republicans insisted that his use of torture was entirely justified. That’s coming soon. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/360 "2017-08-13T19:59:17Z")
> [@treis](#): > > I think the semantic nit picking here is around whether or not Nazis regalia should be considered inciting violence and therefore banned. That’s the start of a slippery slope, but admittedly the Nazis are way way up that slope. I don’t think our democracy collapses if we banned Nazi rallies but I don’t see it making a difference. The same people with the same ideas would March, just minus the Nazi stuff. > > Clearly there’s hypocracy on both sides. Personally, I don’t see it as a left/right continuum. It’s more like a horseshoe where the extremes on both sides are more similar to each other than the middle. Ah, the old “Both sides do it” excuse. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444.md?page=19)