# "Unite the Right" white nationalist march: Ugliness on full display. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 12, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444 "2017-08-12T15:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/361 "2017-08-13T20:03:53Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Ah, the old “Both sides do it” excuse. What am I excusing? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/362 "2017-08-13T20:04:00Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yeah, in hindsight it hasn’t been worth the hassle. And yet your first instinct, evidenced by multiple subsequent posts, was to give self-described nazis the benefit of the doubt. It seems unlikely that it’s just me that questions why you would defend the indefensible so reflexively and persistently. I do not expect but would appreciate an honest and self-aware response that doesn’t use “but freedom of speech!” as an excuse for instinctively defending fascists, racists and various related vermin. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/363 "2017-08-13T20:05:50Z")
> [@treis](#): > > What am I excusing? The horseshoe stuff – who is similar to white supremacists and nazis? Why can’t they just be all alone out there, worse than everyone else (when they obviously are)? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/364 "2017-08-13T20:07:18Z")
> [@treis](#): > > What am I excusing? Right wing excesses, by comparing them to liberal activists. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/365 "2017-08-13T20:15:36Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Right wing excesses, by comparing them to liberal activists. How does thinking that extremists on the left and right are similar to each other excuse right wing excesses? ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/366 "2017-08-13T20:17:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The horseshoe stuff – who is similar to white supremacists and nazis? Why can’t they just be all alone out there, worse than everyone else (when they obviously are)? The guy in Dallas that shot a dozen cops because he hated white people would be one example. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/367 "2017-08-13T20:20:14Z")
> [@treis](#): > > The guy in Dallas that shot a dozen cops because he hated white people would be one example. One of these things is not like the other. Also, cite that the shooter was a left wing activist and that his actions were endorsed by the left. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/368 "2017-08-13T20:24:33Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > **sailboat** - I hope for a speedy recovery. > > No, dude. Displaying a nazi flag may not mean the person supports murder and genocide, but it’s close enough that I wouldn’t care to try and split that hair. Just no. if a person displays a nazi flag, I’m comfortable calling that person a genocide supporting asshole. [http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2076816\_2076800\_2076811,00.html](http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2076816_2076800_2076811,00.html) Prince Harry says “Hi.” ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/369 "2017-08-13T20:26:46Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > The murdered victim of the Nazi scum has been identified as Heather heyer, 32. I sure hope that is not **Sailboat’s** wife. > > The sad fact is we have a filthy piece of trash for President, one who has a long history of pandering to white extremists. And we have some real pieces of trash on this Board who feel no compunction about defending Nazism, belying the simplistic notion that this Board is any sort of “family.” I put trash like that on Ignore, and I would caution other not to feed the trolls. I’d like to see a link to a single person in these current threads defending Nazism. Your statement is very inaccurate. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/370 "2017-08-13T20:29:34Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > [Prince Harry Goes Nazi - Top 10 Gaffes from the British Royal Family - TIME](http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2076816_2076800_2076811,00.html) > > Prince Harry says “Hi.” Holy shit, Prince Harry attended a white supremacist rally dressed as a Nazi? No, he didn’t. Please stop being so intellectually dishonest. We’re clearly talking about bearing Nazi imagery in the specific context of a white supremacist event. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/371 "2017-08-13T20:30:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The horseshoe stuff – who is similar to white supremacists and nazis? Why can’t they just be all alone out there, worse than everyone else (when they obviously are)? How do you rank the ideologies that produce Mao, Stalin, and Hitler in any form of bad, worse, or worst? I think they are pretty close to tied for worst. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/372 "2017-08-13T20:30:35Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’d like to see a link to a single person in these current threads defending Nazism. Your statement is very inaccurate. Not all Germans were Nazis or actively supported fascism. Some simply stood by in silence and let it happen. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/373 "2017-08-13T20:31:33Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > I’m reminded of how some Republicans insisted that Bush didn’t have people tortured. > > I’m about to be reminded of how other Republicans insisted that his use of torture was entirely justified. That’s coming soon. When is Hannity finally going to go through with his promise to get himself waterboarded to prove it isn’t torture? ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/374 "2017-08-13T20:32:12Z")
You know, I’ve spent alot of time on the webs looking at pics and reading articles about the Charlottesville mess and I have not seen any Nazi regalia. [These groups](https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/12/flags-and-other-symbols-used-far-right-groups-charlottesville)are not Nazis. They are American white nationalists. They may turn out to be just as awful (or worse) as the Nazis. But they are not the same. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/375 "2017-08-13T20:33:26Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Not all Germans were Nazis or actively supported fascism. Some simply stood by in silence and let it happen. That’s irrelevant and a misdirection. Who here is as Siam Sam is claiming, supporting Nazism? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/376 "2017-08-13T20:35:06Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Not all Germans were Nazis or actively supported fascism. Some simply stood by in silence and let it happen. Many got threatened into submission, by the sight of opponents getting beaten or killed by their thug gangs, or by loss of livelihood when done by the local gauleiter. It’s not as easy to criticize them for inaction when the alternative was death. ---
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/377 "2017-08-13T20:36:27Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > The murdered victim of the Nazi scum has been identified as Heather heyer, 32. I sure hope that is not **Sailboat’s** wife. I took a quick look through Sailboat’s posting history. Unless he married someone much younger, it is not likely that he has a 32yo wife. For example, there are a couple of posts where he refers to incidents that happened to him 20 years ago where the context indicated he was a self sufficient adult at the time. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/378 "2017-08-13T20:36:50Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > How do you rank the ideologies that produce Mao, Stalin, and Hitler in any form of bad, worse, or worst? I think they are pretty close to tied for worst. Your argument is to compare some of the worst totalitarian regimes and ask which is worse? In service of what? Is this your clever attempt to argue that since Stalin and Hitler were bitter enemies therefore the two ideologies represent the current American politics of the left and the right? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/379 "2017-08-13T20:37:28Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > You know, I’ve spent alot of time on the webs looking at pics and reading articles about the Charlottesville mess and I have not seen any Nazi regalia. [These groups](https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/12/flags-and-other-symbols-used-far-right-groups-charlottesville)are not Nazis. They are American white nationalists. They may turn out to be just as awful (or worse) as the Nazis. But they are not the same. Try googling ‘‘[Nazi regalia Charlottesville](https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/598f3d371500007d208b6472.jpeg?ops=scalefit_970_noupscale)’’ and see what you come up with. The whole point of ‘‘Unite the Right’’ was to bring Nazis and American White Nationalists together. Though it does appear there are more confederate flags than Nazi ones, the Nazi ones are there. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/380 "2017-08-13T20:41:24Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > [Prince Harry Goes Nazi - Top 10 Gaffes from the British Royal Family - TIME](http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2076816_2076800_2076811,00.html) > > Prince Harry says “Hi.” That’s not even clever. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444.md?page=20)