# "Unite the Right" white nationalist march: Ugliness on full display. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 12, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444 "2017-08-12T15:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/381 "2017-08-13T20:44:14Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > You know, I’ve spent alot of time on the webs looking at pics and reading articles about the Charlottesville mess and I have not seen any Nazi regalia. [These groups](https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/12/flags-and-other-symbols-used-far-right-groups-charlottesville)are not Nazis. They are American white nationalists. They may turn out to be just as awful (or worse) as the Nazis. But they are not the same. [You can’t have tried very hard.](https://www.google.com/search?q=images+nazis+charlottesville+va+rally&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi5v_OjidXVAhVK02MKHY2aBKIQ_AUICygC&biw=1536&bih=735#imgrc=Zsx4wy79rjGfwM:) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/382 "2017-08-13T20:45:30Z")
> [@treis](#): > > The guy in Dallas that shot a dozen cops because he hated white people would be one example. That doesn’t have anything to do with yesterday, though, and there was no reticence in liberal politicians denouncing him. Further, he didn’t have a “kill cops and/or white people” movement/rally behind him. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/383 "2017-08-13T20:45:30Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Your argument is to compare some of the worst totalitarian regimes and ask which is worse? In service of what? > > Is this your clever attempt to argue that since Stalin and Hitler were bitter enemies therefore the two ideologies represent the current American politics of the left and the right? Please find the quotes of people defending Nazism. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/384 "2017-08-13T20:46:30Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > That’s not even clever. Is Prince Harry advocating genocide? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/385 "2017-08-13T20:46:43Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > How do you rank the ideologies that produce Mao, Stalin, and Hitler in any form of bad, worse, or worst? I think they are pretty close to tied for worst. Only one of them has any sort of significant following in the US, with regular marches and rallies attended by hundreds or thousands, and multiple organizations that (until recently, at least) were closely monitored by the justice department because they’ve got such a history of domestic terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/386 "2017-08-13T20:48:19Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Is Prince Harry advocating genocide? He was being an incredible asshole, and he was fine with wearing symbols that are reasonably seen as advocating genocide, and he rightly apologized for it. If all these assholes from yesterday give truly sincere apologies, then I might start to think they have a small chance of being contributing members of society. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/387 "2017-08-13T20:51:55Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Please find the quotes of people defending Nazism. You can move the goal posts all you like. What I was addressing is your post asking for relative comparison of fascist and communist totalitarianism. Your reasons for asking are not entirely clear to me. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/388 "2017-08-13T20:56:42Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That doesn’t have anything to do with yesterday, though, and there was no reticence in liberal politicians denouncing him. Further, he didn’t have a “kill cops and/or white people” movement/rally behind him. Sure he does. “[What do we want? DEAD COPS! When do we want it? NOW!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4ARsxrZh8)” It’s not a very big movement, and it’s despicable, but he wasn’t the only one in the country to espouse such an awful ideology. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/389 "2017-08-13T21:02:01Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > [You can’t have tried very hard.](https://www.google.com/search?q=images+nazis+charlottesville+va+rally&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi5v_OjidXVAhVK02MKHY2aBKIQ_AUICygC&biw=1536&bih=735#imgrc=Zsx4wy79rjGfwM:) > [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Try googling ‘‘[Nazi regalia Charlottesville](https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/598f3d371500007d208b6472.jpeg?ops=scalefit_970_noupscale)’’ and see what you come up with. You both found the same pic of one guy, I saw it as well. . .and? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/390 "2017-08-13T21:05:47Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Sure he does. “[What do we want? DEAD COPS! When do we want it? NOW!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4ARsxrZh8)” It’s not a very big movement, and it’s despicable, but he wasn’t the only one in the country to espouse such an awful ideology. What’s this movement called? A few assholes chanting doesn’t make a movement. A movement has regular rallies, organizations (like the KKK and allies), publications, large websites like Stormfront, and the like. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/391 "2017-08-13T21:07:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Only one of them has any sort of significant following in the US, with regular marches and rallies attended by hundreds or thousands, and multiple organizations that (until recently, at least) were closely monitored by the justice department because they’ve got such a history of domestic terrorism. Wait. There are no left leaning organizations that are violent in cities such as Portland, Seattle, or Berkeley? Do I need to link a multitude of videos and photos showing the bloody aftermath and the destroyed property? Nazism is bad but it’s not standing alone on the dung heap of terrible ideologies as the pinnacle. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/392 "2017-08-13T21:14:44Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The Nazis chanting “Hail Trump” as they marched. > [x.com](https://twitter.com/justinhendrix/status/896466579583533056) A lot of people don’t realize that this was not the first time this crowd flocked to Charlottesville to display their ignorance. [In May,](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/charlottesville-protest-richard-spender-kkk-robert-e-lee-statue/) the memorable chant from the torch-bearing crowd was “Russia is our friend!” ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/393 "2017-08-13T21:25:58Z")
God, this is so predictable. “Lookit them anti-Nazi protesters! They are antifa hoodlums who are equally responsible for violence! Oh, and those guys holding shields and shouting racist slogans? Well, we don’t KNOW that they are racist… why, those SS signs might just mean they are fans of famous Jews like Steven Spielberg or Sarah Silverman! We might never know the truth. And just because they all have their right hands pointed up doesn’t mean it is a Nazi salute, they might just be all pointing at something! But if you’re a Democrat, it’s a lock that you love Malcolm X, Che, and Mao. The only thing important here is that some things just happen, and who can really know why?” ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/394 "2017-08-13T21:34:48Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > You both found the same pic of one guy, I saw it as well. . .and? You said you saw no Nazi regalia at this event, so people showed you a picture of Nazi regalia at the event. Now you’ve seen a picture of Nazi regalia at the event. That’s basically it. FWIW, there is no ethical distinction, for me, between a Nazi flag at a white supremacist rally and a confederate flag at a white supremacist rally. But I suppose with all this emphasis on Nazis we shouldn’t leave out the fact that the KKK were there, too. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/395 "2017-08-13T21:38:21Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Wait. There are no left leaning organizations that are violent in cities such as Portland, Seattle, or Berkeley? Do I need to link a multitude of videos and photos showing the bloody aftermath and the destroyed property? Nazism is bad but it’s not standing alone on the dung heap of terrible ideologies as the pinnacle. …and thus moral relativism rears its predictably ugly head. Surprised it took this long. There is a reason Nazism holds a unique place in modern history of crimes against humanity. But hey, don’t let that stop your pathetic attempt to equivocate. JFC. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/396 "2017-08-13T21:40:26Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Nazism is bad but it’s not standing alone on the dung heap of terrible ideologies as the pinnacle. I think it is. I use “which ideology would exterminate large segments of the population if it came to power” as the tiebreaker. > [@Ravenman](#): > > Well, we don’t KNOW that they are racist… why, those SS signs might just mean they are fans of famous Jews like Steven Spielberg or Sarah Silverman! We might never know the truth. And just because they all have their right hands pointed up doesn’t mean it is a Nazi salute, they might just be all pointing at something! “Ovens” – they’ll be making some bread later. “Final solution” – they’re done with their math homework. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/397 "2017-08-13T21:43:39Z")
> [@skdo23](#): > > I took a quick look through Sailboat’s posting history. Unless he married someone much younger, it is not likely that he has a 32yo wife. For example, there are a couple of posts where he refers to incidents that happened to him 20 years ago where the context indicated he was a self sufficient adult at the time. The NY Times article linked to by **Siam Sam** in post 354 indicates that the deceased wasn’t married. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/398 "2017-08-13T21:56:46Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > \*\*My wife was hit by that car. \*\* Only on SDMB now while i wait for information about where to go and make some kind of arrangement for animal care. Apparently injured, extent being determined. > > Not in the mood for defenders of Nazis right now. I’m so sorry. I hope your wife recovers fully. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/399 "2017-08-13T22:03:23Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > …and thus moral relativism rears its predictably ugly head. > > Surprised it took this long. > > There is a reason Nazism holds a unique place in modern history of crimes against humanity. But hey, don’t let that stop your pathetic attempt to equivocate. > > JFC. Explain how that is moral relativism? And please explain how the crimes of Hitler are uniquely bad when compared with Stalin, Mao, etc. I bet you can’t other than more misdirection, more goal post shifting, and more ad hominems. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/400 "2017-08-13T22:05:30Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I feel like, of all the people who deserve the benefit of a doubt with regard to intent, Nazis aren’t among them. this really sums it up for me [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444.md?page=21)