# "Unite the Right" white nationalist march: Ugliness on full display. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 12, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444 "2017-08-12T15:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/561 "2017-08-15T04:17:54Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > The “ironing” is wrong. The name is Eugene Li, and the video in question is [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz2NfmRSQc4). > > The original video that he’s talking about is [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7wHGDYabq0). > > Sorry to spoil your delicious “gotcha”. Whatevs. I’m already on record saying performance artists are probably not Nazis. Mostly I just wanted to say the ironing. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/562 "2017-08-15T04:23:48Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I suspect it’s not a large percentage. I’m pretty sure it’s a much larger number than I would like. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/563 "2017-08-15T04:50:53Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Google and Go Daddy have banned the Daily Stormer after their website attacked Charlottesville victim Heather Heyer and made derogatory statements about her. > [GoDaddy, Google ban neo-Nazi site Daily Stormer for ‘violating’ terms of service – Chicago Tribune](http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-godaddy-bans-daily-stormer-20170814-story.html) Everyone is scrambling to distance themselves from these idiots. “Tiki torch company: We have nothing to do with white nationalism” > **[Tiki torch company: We have nothing to do with white nationalism](https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/14/news/companies/tiki-torches-charlottesville/index.html)** > > Tiki Brand said it's "not associated" with violent Charlottesville protest and is "deeply saddened and disappointed." ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/564 "2017-08-15T06:08:55Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yes, I think most of them probably did vote for Trump. And I really was trying to focus on the main point (ETA: the “spirit”) of Evil Economist’s post. He said, “The only common denominator is support of President Trump; that’s the only thing they all had in common.” I took that as the central point of his post. He was drawing a very clear distinction between what most of them were, and, in his view, the one thing that they _ALL_ were. It’s one that I think is probably inaccurate. It would have seemed more accurate to say “Most, but not all, were Trump supporters”. Oh, so the best common descriptor of those people would still be “Trump Supporters”? So everything I said still holds? Well then, great nitpick; good to see you reserving your pedantry for something substantive. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/565 "2017-08-15T06:44:16Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yes, I think most of them probably did vote for Trump. And I really was trying to focus on the main point (ETA: the “spirit”) of Evil Economist’s post. He said, “The only common denominator is support of President Trump; that’s the only thing they all had in common.” I took that as the central point of his post. He was drawing a very clear distinction between what most of them were, and, in his view, the one thing that they _ALL_ were. It’s one that I think is probably inaccurate. It would have seemed more accurate to say “Most, but not all, were Trump supporters”. 63 million people in this country voted for Trump. I’m curious as to what conclusion we’re supposed to draw from the fact that among them are an infinitesimal number of Nazi sympathizers. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/566 "2017-08-15T06:45:43Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Everyone is scrambling to distance themselves from these idiots. Richard Spencer [had to hold a press conference in his apartment](http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/richard-spencer-forced-to-hold-press-conference-in-his-apartment-because-dc-hotels-wouldnt-have-him-report/) because no hotel in DC would rent him a space. I don’t think this “let the free market decide who to deny service to” idea of theirs is gonna work out the way they were hoping it would. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/567 "2017-08-15T07:00:49Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Richard Spencer [had to hold a press conference in his apartment](http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/richard-spencer-forced-to-hold-press-conference-in-his-apartment-because-dc-hotels-wouldnt-have-him-report/) because no hotel in DC would rent him a space. > > I don’t think this “let the free market decide who to deny service to” idea of theirs is gonna work out the way they were hoping it would. I’m starting to think that our system really may be strong enough to survive the current assault on it. A president who lost the popular vote is on the ropes in less than a year. His agenda is faltering badly. And the most dangerous and fanatical part of his base may be ruined socially and financially. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Crap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.crap/32/3131_2.png) [@Dr.Crap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Crap)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/568 "2017-08-15T07:14:48Z")
Yeah, everything is going to be okay. Odds are this whole protest-murder-thing was just filming for the new season of Curb Your Enthusiasm. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/569 "2017-08-15T07:40:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > 63 million people in this country voted for Trump. I’m curious as to what conclusion we’re supposed to draw from the fact that among them are an infinitesimal number of Nazi sympathizers. It appears that **Evil Economist** would like us to conclude that “Trump supporters are despicable”. It does seem like he’s painting with an awfully broad brush. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/570 "2017-08-15T07:42:04Z")
Indeed! ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/571 "2017-08-15T07:46:20Z")
A video I think would well be worth people’s time to watch. VICE News got a reporter (who has my deepest sympathies) in the middle of some of the groups participating in the “Unite the Right” demonstration and allowed them to speak for themselves. I believe some of their statements cross the line into incitement, which is _not_ protected as free speech. [Charlottesville: Race and Terror](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I&app=desktop) (WARNING: Graphic footage of the hit-and-run). ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/572 "2017-08-15T08:25:42Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > It appears that **Evil Economist** would like us to conclude that “Trump supporters are despicable”. It does seem like he’s painting with an awfully broad brush. Trump supporters _are_ despicable. He showed us during the campaign that he was an ignorant, narcissistic, sociopathic racist with no moral compass, and he’s consistently proven that every day he’s been in office. To vote for him, let alone _continue_ supporting him at this point, is incompatible with any claim of being a good American, a patriot, or a decent human being. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/573 "2017-08-15T09:27:26Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > 63 million people in this country voted for Trump. I’m curious as to what conclusion we’re supposed to draw from the fact that among them are an infinitesimal number of Nazi sympathizers. I don’t think it’s an “infinitesimal number”. 3% of the 2016 voters in a state (Louisiana) voted for Senate for someone best known for (and very well known in that state – my home state) unrepentant white supremacism (David Duke). If we can roughly extrapolate that to the whole country, then that’s millions of people. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/574 "2017-08-15T12:22:16Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > a MSM story Well, that’s telling… ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/575 "2017-08-15T13:13:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > 63 million people in this country voted for Trump. I’m curious as to what conclusion we’re supposed to draw from the fact that among them are an infinitesimal number of Nazi sympathizers. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > It appears that **Evil Economist** would like us to conclude that “Trump supporters are despicable”. It does seem like he’s painting with an awfully broad brush. The more important issue IMHO is the quality of the support of the racists, not necessarily the count of how many racists provide their support in relation to others. Let’s put the shoe on the other foot: if, during the 2012 presidential campaign, Al Qaeda came out strongly in support of Obama, and in particular lauded his national security policies with great enthusiasm, we all know what would have happened. Opponents of Obama would have LOST THEIR FUCKING MINDS regardless of whether Ayman al-Zawahri could vote in the election or not. If an Obama supporter bothered to say that it is just a very, very tiny number of Al Qaeda sympathizers who could actually vote in the election, would that ease your concerns? Of course not! The full-throated endorsement of Obama’s policies by the worst kind of people would have had a major impact on Americans generally, causing them to rethink whether those policies, and that candidate, is good for America. Well, now we have a President that white racists of all stripes are fawning over, because of his nativist speeches and general views of the United States and its people. This ought to cause people to pause and think about whether those policies are good, seeing as how they are embraced so enthusiastically by racist fucktards. That you two, and others, seem so intent on seeing white nationalists’ support of Trump as being attack on your own characters shows that you are paying attention to absolutely the wrong aspect of the question. Not everything is about you, ya know. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/576 "2017-08-15T13:30:11Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I’m pretty sure it’s a much larger number than I would like. Nazis and gaping chest wounds have that in common. In either case, any number greater than zero is much larger than I would like. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/577 "2017-08-15T13:41:20Z")
The Right controls American power overwhelmingly right now. All branches of the federal government and more states than any time in decades. And yet, the animating emotion coming from the the Right now is grievance. Fear that their way of life is being threatened by multiculturalism. You watch Fox News and it’s all about how the Right is abused on college campuses and cultural grievances about transgender people and Muslims. “Don’t replace us!” isn’t just being chanted by white supremacists. It is really quite widespread. And we see it all over the SDMB too. I’m curious whether conservatives agree with that assessment, and if so, how they explain it given their complete control over all levers of power. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/578 "2017-08-15T14:18:14Z")
You say it’s all branches of the federal government; but isn’t the idea that, while Alito and Thomas and Roberts and Gorsuch are considered pretty reliable, Kennedy is kind of a wild-card tiebreaker who often makes all the difference when Kagan and Breyer and Ginsburg and Sotomayor need a 5-4 decision? In which case, they’re not there _yet,_ but are maybe one octogenarian away? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/579 "2017-08-15T15:04:12Z")
“Popular video game chat service announces ban on white supremacist users” > **[Popular video game chat service announces ban on white supremacist users](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/14/1689598/-Popular-video-game-chat-service-announces-ban-on-white-supremacist-users?detail=facebook)** > > The online backlash for racist assholes after the white supremacist violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, continues as a popular chat service for video gamers bans their ilk. The chat app, called Discord, made the announcement on Twitter. > > > > This... > [@](#): > > The online backlash for racist assholes after the white supremacist violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, continues as a popular chat service for video gamers bans their ilk. The chat app, called Discord, made the announcement on Twitter. > ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/580 "2017-08-15T15:13:50Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > You say it’s all branches of the federal government; but isn’t the idea that, while Alito and Thomas and Roberts and Gorsuch are considered pretty reliable, Kennedy is kind of a wild-card tiebreaker who often makes all the difference when Kagan and Breyer and Ginsburg and Sotomayor need a 5-4 decision? > > In which case, they’re not there _yet,_ but are maybe one octogenarian away? You could make the same argument about Sen. John McCain. Or about the Pentagon. I’m not saying the alt-right controls every branch of government. But _Republicans_ certainly do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444.md?page=30)