# "Unite the Right" white nationalist march: Ugliness on full display. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 12, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444 "2017-08-12T15:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/621 "2017-08-18T00:37:52Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > That’s about the right level of intellect for him. Actually, I was rather disturbed by how articulate some of those guys sounded. Not that one, in particular, but some of them seemed pretty comprehensive in their understanding of their own vile ideology. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/622 "2017-08-18T00:42:39Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Actually, I was rather disturbed by how articulate some of those guys sounded. Not that one, in particular, but some of them seemed pretty comprehensive in their understanding of their own vile ideology. The guys she was interviewing do hate for a living. I’d hope they’d be somewhat accomplished. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/623 "2017-08-18T22:27:42Z")
Crybaby snowflake Cantwell appeared on Colbert in 2014 as part of a group harrasing parking meter enforcers. [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-vQ5h8iWa0Q/hqdefault.jpg "Free Keene Squad - Robin Hooders") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vQ5h8iWa0Q) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/624 "2017-08-19T17:55:17Z")
And now the right wingers are eating each other. Jason Kessler, the Charlottesville organizer, tweeted an attack on Heather Heyer, but a person from The Daily Stormer claims that HE hacked Kessler’s account and posted the attack because Kessler is really a “Deep State” plant who set out to make the Nazis look bad. And other people whose names were on the organizers’ rally flyer, including Baked Alaska, are disavowing the tweet. [https://www.yahoo.com/news/charlottesville-jason-kessler-apos-account-114239649.html](https://www.yahoo.com/news/charlottesville-jason-kessler-apos-account-114239649.html) ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/625 "2017-08-19T18:23:25Z")
Did Kessler make any violent statements prior to organizing the rally? I’m just thinking ahead to the lawsuits files against him. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/626 "2017-08-19T20:41:06Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > And now the right wingers are eating each other. Good news. There’s a lot of friction points which have generally helped keep the alt-right groups separated from each other and marginalized. There really are some significant differences (to them if not the rest of us) in ideology, goals, and preferred tactics. Those differences are wrapped in a paranoia\* of those they don’t know well potentially being with the deep state who is watching and oppressing them. It’s a tough mix to keep closely tied together into a cohesive larger group. It’s only an early indicator. Still that hint about cohesiveness potentially breaking down is one of the better pieces of news from the week IMO. - - To be fair, it’s not entirely paranoia. The FBI counter-terror folks really are watching and waiting for chances to “oppress” them via the legal system. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/627 "2017-08-19T20:57:39Z")
> [@DinoR](#): > > Good news. There’s a lot of friction points which have generally helped keep the alt-right groups separated from each other and marginalized. There really are some significant differences (to them if not the rest of us) in ideology, goals, and preferred tactics. Those differences are wrapped in a paranoia\* of those they don’t know well potentially being with the deep state who is watching and oppressing them. It’s a tough mix to keep closely tied together into a cohesive larger group. > > It’s only an early indicator. Still that hint about cohesiveness potentially breaking down is one of the better pieces of news from the week IMO. > > - > - To be fair, it’s not entirely paranoia. The FBI counter-terror folks really are watching and waiting for chances to “oppress” them via the legal system. 😉 Do you know enough about the various groups to offer a primer (I know I don’t)? Understood if you’d rather not. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/628 "2017-08-21T21:01:08Z")
The are now 4 arrest warrants for Chris Caldwell. > **[Four arrest warrants now out for America's saddest white nationalist, who...](https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/21/1692062/-Four-arrest-warrants-now-out-for-America-s-saddest-white-nationalist-who-still-wants-your-pity)** > > White nationalist and fascist Christopher Cantwell gained national notoriety when a Vice News report on the Charlottesville protests highlighted his threatening speeches and belligerent swagger during the protests and their violence. > > He... ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/629 "2017-08-21T21:15:00Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Actually, I was rather disturbed by how articulate some of those guys sounded. Not that one, in particular, but some of them seemed pretty comprehensive in their understanding of their own vile ideology. A lot of liberal criticism of white supremacy is aesthetic class shaming: hillbilly, missing teeth, incest jokes, and so on. When their leaders are in spiffy suits, have graduate degrees, and speak in reasonable tones then the pundits don’t have much to say and just end up signal boosting them, like NPR did to Richard Spencer. The type of people who drive cross country to attend a rally aren’t broke, they’re middle to upper class suburbanites. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/630 "2017-08-22T07:49:37Z")
> [@DinoR](#): > > Good news. There’s a lot of friction points which have generally helped keep the alt-right groups separated from each other and marginalized. There really are some significant differences … I wonder how this works. Many right-wingers hate Jews. How do the “Hate blacks but some of my friends are Jews” right-wingers relate to the Jew-haters? Do they have a strong spirit of comradery? (“Well at least you HATE, even if you don’t hate the same people as I do.”) ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/631 "2017-08-22T09:37:56Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Someone tarred and feathered a Jefferson Davis monument in Arizona. > [Daily Kos](https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/17/1690994/-Someone-tarred-and-feathered-a-Jefferson-Davis-monument-in-Arizona) This is one of the greatest things I’ve ever seen. In fact, I think it’s the answer. We shouldn’t tear down any confederate monuments; they should just be tarred and feathered once a year. ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/632 "2017-08-22T11:31:37Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Poor snowflake. > [Neo-Nazi Charlottesville marcher sobs in video after being told there’s a warrant for his arrest – DeadState](http://deadstate.org/neo-nazi-charlottesville-marcher-sobs-in-video-after-finding-out-theres-a-warrant-for-his-arrestfbrefreshforce/) > > Here’s the VICE video: > [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I&feature=youtu.be&t=2m17s](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I&feature=youtu.be&t=2m17s) > > Here he is sobbing about the arrest warrant: > [https://youtu.be/lyeTj002DCo](https://youtu.be/lyeTj002DCo) I gleefully posted this on my Facebook page, as well as his being kicked off PayPal. That was fantastic. > [@davidm](#): > > Here’s another article about it, but it really doesn’t go into any more detail. > > [https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2017/08/17/facebook-bans-white-nationalist-accounts-over-hate-speech/0Y359546xMoKaeStccsNRP/story.html](https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2017/08/17/facebook-bans-white-nationalist-accounts-over-hate-speech/0Y359546xMoKaeStccsNRP/story.html) > > It mentions caustic substances, so maybe he used something like pepper spray. The Daily Stormer provided pepper spray suggestions to the white nationalists, so it’s entirely possible. > [@marshmallow](#): > > When their leaders are in spiffy suits, have graduate degrees, and speak in reasonable tones then the pundits don’t have much to say and just end up signal boosting them, like NPR did to Richard Spencer. The type of people who drive cross country to attend a rally aren’t broke, they’re middle to upper class suburbanites. Wearing nice clothes and looking non-threatening has been a tactic used by spokesmen for supremacy groups in Europe for some time. The Germans have a phrase – which I can’t remember in German right now – about “suit Nazis and boot Nazis”. The point is to remember that even the dudes in the suit are hateful and dangerous — the “boot Nazis” get marching orders from the “suit Nazis”. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/633 "2017-08-22T16:15:40Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Did Kessler make any violent statements prior to organizing the rally? I’m just thinking ahead to the lawsuits files against him. He organized a rally promoting inherently violent ideologies, to which people advocating violence brought weapons for the purpose of intimidation. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/634 "2017-08-22T21:51:26Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > This is one of the greatest things I’ve ever seen. In fact, I think it’s the answer. We shouldn’t tear down any confederate monuments; they should just be tarred and feathered once a year. I feel that they should be streaked/coated with α-HgS (red cinnabar) to represent the bloodshed. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/635 "2017-08-24T22:15:23Z")
Crying Nazi Christopher Cantwell is being held without bail. [http://www.nbc29.com/story/36208125/cantwell-08-24-2017](http://www.nbc29.com/story/36208125/cantwell-08-24-2017) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444.md?page=31)