# "Unite the Right" white nationalist march: Ugliness on full display. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 12, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444 "2017-08-12T15:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/141 "2017-08-13T00:10:16Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And what did the damage? A car. > > Speaking of which is it a fascist or antifa driver? I’m not sure if it’s been confirmed yet, but according to the news reports, the driver was on the white supremacist side. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/142 "2017-08-13T00:13:09Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And what did the damage? A car. > > Speaking of which is it a fascist or antifa driver? What do you think? Hint: the people there were protesting the white supremacist trash. Or are you going to claim it was a false flag? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/143 "2017-08-13T00:13:38Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Speaking of which is it a fascist or antifa driver? Nothing has been released yet. There are internet rumors that the plate is linked to a young left wing supporter but what I’ve seen has less credibility than Alex Jones. We will have to wait. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/144 "2017-08-13T00:15:05Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Nothing has been released yet. There are internet rumors that the plate is linked to a young left wing supporter but what I’ve seen has less credibility than Alex Jones. We will have to wait. The reports I’m seeing have a name (shouldn’t repeat it until it’s confirmed) and a supporter of white supremacism. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/145 "2017-08-13T00:16:37Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > What do you think? > > Hint: the people there were protesting the white supremacist trash. > > Or are you going to claim it was a false flag? Are you going to answer for me? What do I think? If they ran over counter protesters my immediate assumption would be one of the Nazis. That said, who knows? I’m sure we’ll find out soon enough. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/146 "2017-08-13T00:19:12Z")
This article has the name: > **[One dead as car strikes crowds amid protests of white nationalist gathering...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/fights-in-advance-of-saturday-protest-in-charlottesville/2017/08/12/155fb636-7f13-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html)** > > One driver was taken into custody after the crash. Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe said he had a message for the white nationalists: ‘Go home.’ > [@](#): > > The Dodge Challenger is registered to 20-year-old James Alex Fields of Ohio, according to vehicle registration records reviewed by The Washington Post. Albemarle-Charlottesville Regional Jail Superintendent Martin Kumer told The Post that a man with the same name and age was booked Saturday on suspicion of second-degree murder, malicious wounding, failure to stop for an accident involving a death, and hit and run. Kumer said Fields is currently being held without bail. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/147 "2017-08-13T00:27:51Z")
[The Nazis’ response](http://reverepress.com/news/nazis-react-trump-refusal-condemn-terror/), in addition to the “Heil Trump!” cries at their rally (while holding citronella tiki torches from Home Depot): > [@](#): > > The neo-Nazi Daily Stormer publication touted Trump’s weak response that the violence in Charlottesville came from “many sides.” In fact, they were ecstatic. > > “Trump comments were good. He didn’t attack us. He just said the nation should come together. Nothing specific against us,” a live update of the rally on the website noted. “He said that we need to study why people are so angry, and implied that there was hate… on both sides!” > > “So he implied the antifa are haters. There was virtually no counter-signaling of us at all,” the update continued. “He said he loves us all. Also refused to answer a question about White Nationalists supporting him. No condemnation at all. When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.” More proof that we are not the people I thought we were right up until last November. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/148 "2017-08-13T00:28:55Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m not sure if it’s been confirmed yet, but according to the news reports, the driver was on the white supremacist side. Do you have a link to share? Or did you hear it on the television / radio? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/149 "2017-08-13T00:29:48Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This article has the name: > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/fights-in-advance-of-saturday-protest-in-charlottesville/2017/08/12/155fb636-7f13-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/fights-in-advance-of-saturday-protest-in-charlottesville/2017/08/12/155fb636-7f13-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html) More details of the guy are leaking out. He is a registered Republican voter and spent four months (!) in the Army. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/150 "2017-08-13T00:32:36Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > More details of the guy are leaking out. He is a registered Republican voter and spent four months (!) in the Army. Do you have a link about his army time? I’ve seen rumors on twitter and that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/151 "2017-08-13T00:33:27Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > You see this [hand signal](https://www.vox.com/2017/8/12/16138246/charlottesville-nazi-rally-right-uva) that these racists do to self identify? Trump is literally inviting people into the White House to [pose](https://images.dailykos.com/images/369354/large/hoft-tweet_%282%29.jpg?1487774389) with that [hand](http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.786573!/image/1387849897.jpg_gen/derivatives/headline_609x343/1387849897.jpg) [signal](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5q1b-_WUAAMMdW.jpg). Yet, he bears no responsibility here somehow. Hey, Republicans, how’s your party doing now that you’ve actually become the caricature that the left wing lunatics always claimed you to be? Is this rally associated somehow with the Republican Party? Were previous violent leftist rallies associated with the Democratic Party? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/152 "2017-08-13T00:35:35Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Do you have a link to share? Or did you hear it on the television / radio? Heard it on TV, and saw it on twitter, but that’s nothing close to confirmation. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/153 "2017-08-13T00:40:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Do you have a link about his army time? I’ve seen rumors on twitter and that’s it. here - > **[james-alex-fields-jr-service-information-from-depa.pdf](https://everipedia-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/NewlinkFiles/16940320/7459a___james-alex-fields-jr/james-alex-fields-jr-service-information-from-depa.pdf)** > > 22.28 KB ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/154 "2017-08-13T00:41:16Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Is this rally associated somehow with the Republican Party? > > Were previous violent leftist rallies associated with the Democratic Party? If you have something to share, please share it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/155 "2017-08-13T00:44:13Z")
[The latest white-supremacist terrorist](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/12/virginia-unite-the-right-rally-protest-violence) (they vastly outnumber the Muslim ones here, yanno): > [@](#): > > Col Martin Kumer, the superintendent of Albemarle-Charlottesville Regional Jail, told the Guardian that 20-year-old James Fields of Ohio had been arrested following the attack. > > “He has been charged with second degree murder, three counts of malicious wounding and failing to stop at an accident that resulted in a death,” Kumer said in an email. > > Ohio state vehicle registration records show that a Dodge Challenger car with a licence plate matching the one used in the attack is registered to Fields at his address in Maumee. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/156 "2017-08-13T00:52:04Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > here - > > [https://everipedia-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/NewlinkFiles/16940320/7459a\_\_\_james-alex-fields-jr/james-alex-fields-jr-service-information-from-depa.pdf](https://everipedia-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/NewlinkFiles/16940320/7459a___james-alex-fields-jr/james-alex-fields-jr-service-information-from-depa.pdf) I don’t know if he was in the military or not, but if i’m reading that report right, it’s just about some individual with the last name “Fields” born in April 1997. I imagine there were a number of people with that same family name and birth month. The end of the report says “without a SSN, the DoD cannot authoritatively assert that this is the same individual …” ETA: my quote is imprecise. I’m posting from my phone, and couldn’t copy the text. I believe I captured the gist of it at least. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/157 "2017-08-13T00:55:02Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t know if he was in the military or not, but if i’m reading that report right, it’s just about some individual with the last name “Fields” born in April 1997. **I imagine there were a number of people with that same family name and birth month.** The end of the report says “without a SSN, the DoD cannot authoritatively assert that this is the same individual …” Any port in a storm, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/158 "2017-08-13T00:55:23Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Is this rally associated somehow with the Republican Party? > > Were previous violent leftist rallies associated with the Democratic Party? My post was three sentences long, and in order to come up with this, you would have had to have not read the first two. I’ll draw a map. The white supremacists here are affiliated with the people that Trump himself has invited into the White House. Trump is the leader of the Republican party. If Obama had invited violent leftists to the White House, your analogy might hold. But, as he didn’t, it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/159 "2017-08-13T00:56:54Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Is this rally associated somehow with the Republican Party? > > Were previous violent leftist rallies associated with the Democratic Party? It is a fair point, and should really be reinforced, that the Republican Party didn’t have anything to do with this travesty. Several Republican politicians have specifically denounced the racist fucks who are the source of the problem. But then Trump goes and says that all sides are to blame, like someone saying “all lives matter.” And it’s clear that the protest was organized by folks who are huge supporters of “Republicans” like Donald Trump and Steve Bannon, as opposed to Republicans like Orrin Hatch and Cory Gardner. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444/160 "2017-08-13T00:58:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I will, although I suspect that my post will be attacked by people reading it as my defense of the protester’s ideology as opposed to an answer to a clear request for an explanation of the law. > > The thing that I ask readers of this post to remember is that the First Amendment protects truly vile, despicable speech. My defense of the speech mentioned here is legal, not moral. > > That said, the law is this: generalized incitement to violence is perfectly legal – that is, protected by the First Amendment – as long as it does not constitute a clear and present danger of imminent lawless action. > > This means that a writer on the Internet who urges the murder of all Jews does not satisfy this standard. People are not moved to immediate lawless action by this statement. It’s possible that someone might, days or weeks later, commit some violence influenced by the words, but that does not criminalize the words. > > Now, if we imagine a man holding a loaded gun at the head of a Jewish captive, someone present at the scene screaming at him to murder THAT Jew, we’d then be describing a clear and present danger of imminent lawless action. Thank you for the explanation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unite-the-right-white-nationalist-march-ugliness-on-full-display/793444.md?page=9)