# United healthcare CEO assassinated, the P&E edition {This is not a gun debate/statistics thread!} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 5, 2024, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195 "2024-12-05T13:02:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/441 "2024-12-16T19:15:03Z")
It’s harder than you thought: mortalities in facilities after acquisition by private equity firms actually _decrease_, because they implement the practice of shunting deadbeats and lost causes to cheaper, lower-quality St Elsewhere facilities. [Changes in Hospital Adverse Events and Patient Outcomes Associated With Private Equity Acquisition](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2813379?guestAccessKey=e0cef9be-d55c-4bcf-8892-412af8f24355&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=122623) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/442 "2024-12-16T20:03:38Z")
CEO gets shot: Hand-wringing about the state of the country and the inexcusability of political violence Three killed at an elementary school: Oh well, just a fact of life > **['All we can do is pray': Fox News expert dismisses WI school shooting as...](https://www.rawstory.com/abundant-life-school-shooting/)** > > An expert on school shootings, former NYPD inspector Paul Mauro, argued on Fox News that school shootings were a "fact of life" and "all we can do is pray" following deaths in Madison, Wisconsin.As news was breaking on Monday that at least three... ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/443 "2024-12-16T20:18:33Z")
New York wants to establish a special 911 just for CEOs. > **[New Crisis Hotline for CEOs?](https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/new-crisis-hotline-for-ceos)** > > Governor of New York wants to protect CEOs ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/444 "2024-12-16T20:24:12Z")
That will cool the anger of the underclasses for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/445 "2024-12-16T20:33:32Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > But I know CEOs and board members, and while they talk about maximizing profits, I’ve never once heard someone say anything that sounded intentionally evil. I have spent a lot of time among CEOs and C-suite executives. I cannot count the number of times they have blithely made decisions that increase their bonuses and stock awards while heaping misery on thousands, and not even enriching the stockholders in the long run. Maybe the two executives who ended up in prison got what was coming to them, but a complete disregard for impacts to humans that they refer to as “family” is pretty sickening. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/446 "2024-12-16T20:44:43Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > while they talk about maximizing profits, I’ve never once heard someone say anything that sounded intentionally evil That’s the trick of depraved indifference. It’s not intentionally evil, they just don’t care about the results of their profit maximizing choices, as long as the profits are delivered. Some executive made the decision that their plan was going to deny coverage for anesthesia if a surgery went longer than a pre-defined limit. Besides generate money, what kind of effect is this going to have? All I can see is suffering for the one person in the whole situation that is hurting and unconscious when the excess time was used. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/447 "2024-12-16T21:11:48Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > CEO gets shot: Hand-wringing about the state of the country and the inexcusability of political violence > Three killed at an elementary school: Oh well, just a fact of life People didnt think that the kids deserved it as they were part of an evil organization. That is why the CEO is such big news. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/448 "2024-12-16T21:46:48Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > People didnt think that the kids deserved it as they were part of an evil organization. Nor lionized their murderer. I state the rest in spoiler as our mod has declared it too gun control adjacent. CEOs killed as political violence is unusual and thus big news. School shootings a bit less rare but still of note. Kids killed in gang crossfire or by dad dropping his gun commonplace and not news. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/449 "2024-12-17T01:02:02Z")
Ironically, Trump, of all people, is now proposing getting rid of pharmaceutical middlemen. > **[Insurer stocks fall after Trump says 'we're going to knock out the middleman'](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/insurer-stocks-fall-trump-says-204428728.html)** > > CVS Health's Caremark, Cigna's Express Scripts and UnitedHealth Group's Optum control the majority of the U.S. pharmacy benefit market, with their parent companies also operating health insurance and pharmacy businesses. Pharmacy benefit managers... ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/450 "2024-12-17T01:11:20Z")
Kathy Hochul is showing us who she really works for. > **[Unusual Whales (@unusualwhales.bsky.social)](https://bsky.app/profile/unusualwhales.bsky.social/post/3ldgxod2ht22x)** > > Governor of New York Kathy Hochul has held a therapy session with 175 corporate reps, CEOs to "calm the nerves of the NYC business elite" in wake of Brian Thompson killing; promising state assistance for corporate security to combat "domestic... ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/451 "2024-12-17T01:45:15Z")
An interesting Substack about the talking points and reactions of UNC to the death of their CEO. I’m sure the poor employees are getting a lot of scary abuse that they don’t deserve at all. > **[UnitedHealthcare's Leaked Talking Points](https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/unitedhealthcares-leaked-talking?12152024=)** > > UHC tells employee to dispute social media criticism, praise slain CEO ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/452 "2024-12-17T01:52:29Z")
Perhaps the “Going Postal” quote is appropriate: > “I Worked It Out. You Have Killed Two Point Three Three Eight People,” said the golem calmly. > > “I have never laid a finger on anyone in my life, Mr Pump. I may be–– all the things you know I am, but I am not a killer! I have never so much as drawn a sword!” > > "No, You Have Not. But You Have Stolen, Embezzled, Defrauded And Swindled Without Discrimination, Mr Lipvig. You Have Ruined Businesses And Destroyed Jobs. When Banks Fail, It Is Seldom Bankers Who Starve. Your Actions Have Taken Money From Those Who Had Little Enough To Begin With. In A Myriad Small Ways You Have Hastened The Deaths Of Many. You Do Not Know Them. You Did Not See Them Bleed. But You Snatched Bread From Their Mouths And Tore Clothes From Their Backs. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/453 "2024-12-17T02:13:01Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Kathy Hochul is showing us who she really works for. > > [@unusualwhales.bsky.social on Bluesky](https://bsky.app/profile/unusualwhales.bsky.social/post/3ldgxod2ht22x) They are taxpayers and voters. And targets. So why not? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/454 "2024-12-17T02:13:41Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > So why not? Because she wouldn’t do it for anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/455 "2024-12-17T02:21:11Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Because she wouldn’t do it for anyone else. > **[Photos: Governor Hochul Meets With Public Safety Officials on Election Day...](https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/photos-governor-hochul-meets-public-safety-officials-election-day-security)** > > Governor Hochul met with public safety officials in the New York City Regional Operations Center. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/wIsUIpLGcYE/maxresdefault.jpg "Governor Hochul Delivers Remarks at the Business Council of New York State Annual Meeting") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIsUIpLGcYE) > **[New York Gov. Kathy Hochul arrives in Israel in gesture of solidarity, meets...](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/governor-kathy-hochul-israel-trip/)** > > Hochul said it was "extraordinary to see how Israelis are showing up for one another in a time of crisis." [https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/readouts/2024/09/23/prime-minister-justin-trudeau-meets-governor-new-york-state-kathy-hochul](https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/readouts/2024/09/23/prime-minister-justin-trudeau-meets-governor-new-york-state-kathy-hochul) > **[Governor Kathy Hochul meets with New York State AFL-CIO Executive Board](https://nysaflcio.org/press-releases/governor-kathy-hochul-meets-new-york-state-afl-cio-executive)** > > Albany, NY – Earlier today, New York State AFL-CIO President Mario Cilento welcomed Governor Kathy Hochul to a special meeting of the federation’s executive board.“Throughout her career in public service, Governor Kathy Hochul has demonstrated a... # Governor Kathy Hochul meets with New York State AFL-CIO Executive Board ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/456 "2024-12-17T03:36:02Z")
So does she ever meet with people she isn’t expecting a large cash “donation” from? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/457 "2024-12-17T12:01:42Z")
The public safety officials first on that list are a big donor group? Wow. Who knew? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/458 "2024-12-18T01:21:14Z")
United is now claiming that it owns Luigi Mangione’s likeness. > **[UnitedHealth Gets Luigi Mangione T-Shirt Pulled With Copyright Complaint](https://gizmodo.com/unitedhealth-gets-luigi-mangione-t-shirt-pulled-with-copyright-complaint-2000539574)** > > "I've unfortunately had a lot of experience navigating the healthcare industry," the designer told Gizmodo. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/459 "2024-12-18T01:45:06Z")
It’s the usual practice. Do things in bad faith, depend on the legal system being unavailable to the little guy. Profit! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/460 "2024-12-18T01:52:55Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > United is now claiming that it owns Luigi Mangione’s likeness. ONE design, by no means all likenesses or photos- _But one pro-Mangione design isn’t available on the internet anymore because UnitedHealth Group submitted a copyright complaint against it under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). The painting has been removed from Teepublic, which allows artists to sell their own designs on merchandise like t-shirts and sweatshirts. But it’s not clear how UnitedHealth could claim they have rights to something that doesn’t involve any of its intellectual property._ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195.md?page=24)