# United healthcare CEO assassinated, the P&E edition {This is not a gun debate/statistics thread!} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 5, 2024, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195 "2024-12-05T13:02:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2025, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/801 "2025-04-04T03:41:13Z")
Very, very, very, often the purpose of hate crimes _is_ terrorizing the population the hate crimes are targeting. See: Lynchings, cross burnings, 16th Street church bombings, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2025, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/802 "2025-04-04T13:22:32Z")
Terrorism targets the in-group, hate crime the out-groups, typically. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2025, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/803 "2025-04-04T15:23:06Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Terrorism targets the in-group… Hamas v. Israel. Al Qaeda v. The US. IRA v. The UK. You sure about that one? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2025, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/804 "2025-04-04T18:10:26Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Terrorism targets the in-group, hate crime the out-groups, typically. > [@Miller](#): > > Hamas v. Israel. Al Qaeda v. The US. IRA v. The UK. “Terrorist is what the big army calls the little army.” Hamas and the IRA are smaller, less powerful, so _they_ are terrorists; the Israeli and British militaries are bigger so they _aren’t._ It’s not about what they _do,_ it’s about who is punching up and who is punching down. In the US if some white nationalist shoots up a crowd of minority people he won’t be called a terrorist because he’s punching down, he’s reinforcing the social order with every bullet. Shooting one white CEO gets you labeled a terrorist because that’s punching up, it’s going _against_ the social order. It’s violating the most important social rule: never raise a hand against your betters. The CEO has the right to kill as many people as he likes for profit, and nobody below him has any right to do anything about it. Dying for his profit and pleasure is what they are _for._ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2025, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/805 "2025-04-04T18:46:34Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > “Terrorist is what the big army calls the little army.” Okay, fucking whatever. The UK being the terrorists to Ireland still is an example of out-group violence. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/806 "2025-04-04T18:50:58Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The CEO has the right to kill as many people as he likes for profit, and nobody below him has any right to do anything about it. Dying for his profit and pleasure is what they are _for._ Oh, yeah? Where is this right enumerated? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2025, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/807 "2025-04-04T18:56:48Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Oh, yeah? Where is this right enumerated? By the actions and attitude of the police and the government. There is no law in the US, there is only power, money and force. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2025, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/808 "2025-04-04T19:07:44Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > There is no law in the US, there is only power, money and force. Cite? This website disagrees: > **[WJP Rule of Law Index](https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/global)** > > Explore rule of law rankings for 142 countries in the WJP Rule of Law Index ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2025, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/809 "2025-04-04T19:10:29Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Cite? Trump’s President, not in jail. _There is no law._ ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2025, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/810 "2025-04-04T19:12:29Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Trump’s President, not in jail. _There is no law_ That’s not a cite for there being no law. It’s also not a cite for this specific claim you made: > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The CEO has the right to kill as many people as he likes for profit, and nobody below him has any right to do anything about it. Dying for his profit and pleasure is what they are _for._ ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2025, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/811 "2025-04-05T02:29:11Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Okay, fucking whatever. The UK being the terrorists to Ireland still is an example of out-group violence. Not gonna lie, I’ve always been under the impression the IRA was considered the terrorists in that conflict. Car bombs and the like. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2025, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/812 "2025-04-05T02:31:55Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > It’s also not a cite for this specific claim you made: Which Sackler is in prison, again? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2025, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/813 "2025-04-05T14:26:24Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Not gonna lie, I’ve always been under the impression the IRA was considered the terrorists in that conflict. Tell it to der\_trihs, not me. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2025, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/814 "2025-04-05T14:36:43Z")
Huh? You seem to say that it was the British armed forces that were the terrorists. That may have been true in fact, but that’s not what they were called. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2025, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/815 "2025-04-05T14:41:55Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Huh? You seem to say that it was the British armed forces that were the terrorists. That may have been true in fact, but that’s not what they were called Chronos said that because he initially gave the IRA vs UK example to push back against the assertion that terrorism is generally against the in-group. Der Trihs went off on his standard “terrorists are only terrorists because they’re the little guys, it’s the big guys who are the _real_ terrorists” routine. Chronos decided to short circuit this argument by pointing out that regardless of which side is the terrorist, the UK vs IRA is not an example of in-group on in-group violence. Unfortunately, he didn’t know that by swerving to avoid one tiresome discussion, he’d trigger another. I think that just about summarizes it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2025, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/816 "2025-04-05T14:51:47Z")
Except for the name, that’s exactly correct. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2025, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/817 "2025-04-05T14:54:24Z")
Fuck, sorry - I’ve done this before - you’re both mods and at a glance at phone size, your avatars both read as green. And so I routinely mix you guys up. My bad. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2025, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/818 "2025-04-05T14:58:37Z")
No worries. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/819 "2025-04-05T14:59:16Z")
There are worse people to be confused with (for both of you), at least 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2025, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/820 "2025-04-05T18:14:05Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Der Trihs went off on his standard “terrorists are only terrorists because they’re the little guys, it’s the big guys who are the _real_ terrorists” routine. No, they are both terrorists. It’s only the little guy who gets _called_ terrorist because the term is used as a snarl word, not a serious definition. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195.md?page=42)