# United States and Israel are bombing Iran {for current/ongoing events, past/future have specific threads} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, iran-strikes-2026\ **Created:** [February 28, 2026, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071 "2026-02-28T07:56:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 73
**Author:** ![doomtastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8c91f0/32.png) [@doomtastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doomtastic)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1453 "2026-05-05T22:15:55Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > We’ve killed people and made the world economy worse and accomplished nothing in exchange. Incorrect. We’ve also allowed a few people to enrich themselves in the process. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2026, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1454 "2026-05-07T02:06:29Z")
[Is the Strait open? Is it closed? Is it Schrödinger’s?](https://www.aol.com/articles/cma-cgm-container-ship-hit-074912244.html) > [@](#): > > PARIS, May 6 (Reuters) - A CMA CGM container ship was attacked while transiting the Strait of Hormuz, injuring crew members and damaging the vessel, while another vessel run by the French ‌group exited the Gulf, as the U.S.-Iran conflict continued to disrupt shipping traffic. > > The San Antonio was ‌hit on Tuesday, with injured seafarers evacuated for medical treatment, CMA CGM, the world’s third-largest container shipping line, said on Wednesday, declining further ​comment. > > It marked the latest attack on ships since the war erupted, stranding hundreds of vessels and disrupting 20% of global oil trade. > > Washington launched an operation on Monday to help escort ships through the Strait of Hormuz, allowing two U.S.-flagged vessels to exit the Gulf. > > However, U.S. President Donald Trump said on Tuesday the effort would be briefly paused ‌amid talks aimed at a broader deal ⁠with Iran. Sources said on Wednesday the two sides were close to an initial agreement to end the conflict. > > Tehran, meanwhile, has issued a map of the waterway expanding ⁠a zone it said was subject to its control, its state media reported. & > [@](#): > > Another CMA CGM ship, the Saigon, was sailing along the coast of Oman south of the country’s capital Muscat, after tracking as being inside the Gulf ‌up to Tuesday, vessel data showed. > > CMA CGM confirmed the vessel ​had exited the Gulf, without commenting further. > > “While a few ships made ​it out safely while ‘Project Freedom’ was in place, ​it was clear that transits without coordination with Iran entailed significant risk,” said Jakob ‌Larsen, chief safety and security officer with shipping ​association BIMCO. > > The Saigon is the ​second CMA CGM vessel, after the Kribi a month ago, to have left the Gulf out of 14 vessels it indicated were stranded at the start of the war. [Evidently the latest peace proposal from the US does not, DOES NOT, address Iran’s nuclear capability.](https://www.aol.com/articles/iran-says-wants-comprehensive-agreement-071044769.html) > [@](#): > > ISLAMABAD/WASHINGTON/TEL AVIV, May 6 (Reuters) - Iran said on Wednesday it was reviewing a U.S. peace proposal that sources said would formally end the war while leaving unresolved the key U.S. demands that Iran suspend its nuclear program and reopen the Strait of Hormuz. > > An Iranian foreign ministry spokesperson cited by ‌Iran’s ISNA news agency said Tehran would convey its response. U.S. President Donald Trump said he believed Iran wanted an agreement. > > “They want to make a deal. We’ve had very good ‌talks over the last 24 hours, and it’s very possible that we’ll make a deal,” Trump told reporters in the Oval Office on Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2026, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1455 "2026-05-07T14:19:28Z")
Looks to me like the US would get absolutely nothing out of that deal except the hell out of there. Which may well, given the rest of this situation, be the best we can get. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2026, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1456 "2026-05-07T18:57:46Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Looks to me like the US would get absolutely nothing out of that deal except the hell out of there. If Iran makes a deal, the first point should state that if Trump lies about it, any of it, the deal is off. Don’t let him get away with gaslighting MAGA about how much he “won”. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2026, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1457 "2026-05-07T19:12:15Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > If Iran makes a deal, the first point should state that if Trump lies about it, any of it, the deal is off. Don’t let him get away with gaslighting MAGA about how much he “won”. Yeah, they wont do that and of course Iran will claim _they_ won. And this is only a temporary deal. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2026, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1458 "2026-05-07T19:32:00Z")
So much winning! On both sides. I’m getting tired of it. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2026, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1459 "2026-05-07T22:41:43Z")
I see that Trump’s ceasefire is going well … > **[US military strikes sites in Iran as countries exchange fire | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/07/politics/us-forces-strike-military-facilities-in-iran)** > > US forces targeted Iranian military facilities responsible for launching a series of “unprovoked” missile, drone and small boat attacks against American warships transiting the Strait of Hormuz, US Central Command said on Thursday. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2026, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1460 "2026-05-08T09:28:24Z")
US Intel says Iran can last for several months under the blockade, and has retained most of their missile equipment: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/05/07/cia-intelligence-iran-trump-blockade-missiles/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/05/07/cia-intelligence-iran-trump-blockade-missiles/) ---
**Author:** ![yendis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ed8c4c/32.png) [@yendis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yendis)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2026, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1461 "2026-05-08T14:40:35Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yeah, they wont do that and of course Iran will claim _they_ won. When the US wanders away without doing more than blowing shit up then Iran does win. No claiming necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2026, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1462 "2026-05-22T14:49:28Z")
ugh - this was the best source I could find. Two assholes not seeing eye to eye. > **[Trump and Netanyahu diverge on Iran war’s future in tense phone call | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/20/politics/trump-netanyahu-tense-phone-call)** > > President Donald Trump had a tense conservation with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday that reflected their different views on how to proceed with the Iran war, a US official told CNN. > [@](#): > > The ongoing negotiations have frustrated the Israeli prime minister, who has long advocated for a more aggressive approach in dealing with Tehran. Netanyahu has argued that a delay only benefits the Iranians, according to Trump officials and Israeli sources. Netanyahu made his disappointment known on Tuesday, telling Trump that he believed delaying the expected attacks was a mistake and that the president should continue as planned, the US official said. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2026, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1463 "2026-05-22T15:45:03Z")
Are you saying the two war masterminds didn’t have a plan before they launched this war? You’d think they would’ve came up with a game plan before they started this quagmire, I mean war. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2026, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1464 "2026-05-22T19:12:07Z")
The “plan” was the same as it always was: 1. Bomb the country 2. The people will welcome us as saviors 3. Steal the oil ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2026, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1465 "2026-05-22T21:26:10Z")
Here is something the Hegseth fool should read: > **[The ‘warrior ethos’ promises victory — history says it leads to defeat](https://theconversation.com/the-warrior-ethos-promises-victory-history-says-it-leads-to-defeat-280234)** > > Loyalty outranks expertise, and reality bends to the leader’s word. From Nazi Germany to Imperial Japan, fascist war machines collapse on the same contradictions. Of course he won’t read it, and he would not believe it if he did, even assuming he is able to understand it. But the fact remains: the author is right, Hegseth is a fool. Would be even better if the Supreme Ineptstein Orange-Utan (**[SIOU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcfft9RCM6I)**) read it. Same caveats as before would apply. Of course. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2026, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1466 "2026-05-22T21:42:20Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > Here is something the Hegseth fool should read: > > [The ‘warrior ethos’ promises victory — history says it leads to defeat](https://theconversation.com/the-warrior-ethos-promises-victory-history-says-it-leads-to-defeat-280234) > > Of course he won’t read it, and he would not believe it if he did, even assuming he is able to understand it. But the fact remains: the author is right, Hegseth is a fool. Excellent article. Remind me of [this](https://acoup.blog/2024/02/23/fireside-friday-february-23-2024-on-the-military-failures-of-fascism/) blog post by a historian I read a while ago on the military failures of fascism (which is looking more relevant by the day unfortunately). > But _war_, war is something fascists value intensely because the beating heart of fascist ideology is a desire to prove heroic masculinity in the crucible of violent conflict (arising out of deep insecurity, generally). Or as Eco puts it, “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life, but, rather, life is lived for struggle…_life is permanent warfare_” and as a result, “_everyone is educated to become a hero_.”[2](https://acoup.blog/2024/02/23/fireside-friday-february-23-2024-on-the-military-failures-of-fascism/#easy-footnote-bottom-2-23044) Being _good_ at war is fundamentally central to fascism in nearly all of its forms – indeed, I’d argue nothing is so central. **Consequently, there is real value in showing that fascism is, in fact, _bad_ at war, which it is.** And well, looking at Trump’s performance in Iran ,“bad at war” _is_ a fair characterization. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2026, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1467 "2026-05-22T23:01:08Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Steal the oil All the many many times the USA has been accused of stealing oil-“no blood for oil”- are there any recent examples where it really happened? The USA has our own oil, we dont need to steal it. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2026, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1468 "2026-05-22T23:25:34Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The USA has our own oil, we dont need to steal it. Have you ever met a rich person? Such people are often (not always!) greedy, and acquisitive. There is a certain type of person, distressingly common among high-earning corporate types, where “I have enough” is not a sentiment they understand. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2026, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1469 "2026-05-22T23:55:03Z")
Chevron is now extracting oil from Venezuela, and shipping it to it’s oil refinery in Pascagoula, Mississippi. Chevron now imports the equivalent of 250,000 barrels of Venezuelan crude oil per day, on average, and plans to up this to 400,000 barrels per day. At $100 USD per barrel, that’s $40 million per day. How much of that is the Venezuelan government getting do you suppose? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2026, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1470 "2026-05-23T00:31:14Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Chevron is now extracting oil from Venezuela Chevron has been extracting oil from Venezuela for roughly a century. Chevron was exporting a third of Venezuela’s oil under Maduro and was frequently accused of propping up his regime under waivers granted by the Biden administration. They recently (like literally last month) signed a deal where the traded some of their interests in natural gas to the Venezuelan government in exchange for a larger share in Venezuela’s crude industry. I am 100% certain they made the best deal they could financially because that is what they care about. I am also sure they are as pleased as punch to take advantage of chaos in Venezuela to strike a better deal. But they’d do the same thing if some other anti-US coup had happened - they are utterly amoral and follow the dollars like most big multinationals. CEO Mike Wirth and Trump are sucking up to each other, but at the end of the day this is just business as usual not a sudden new exploitation. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2026, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1471 "2026-05-23T01:17:13Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Chevron is now extracting oil from Venezuela, and shipping it to it’s oil refinery in Pascagoula, Mississippi. Chevron now imports the equivalent of 250,000 barrels of Venezuelan crude oil per day, on average, and plans to up this to 400,000 barrels per day. > > At $100 USD per barrel, that’s $40 million per day. How much of that is the Venezuelan government getting do you suppose? I forgot- exactly when did we invade Venezuela? And yes, it is being paid for- at a great rate of course. > [@Tamerlane](#): > > They recently (like literally last month) signed a deal where the traded some of their interests in natural gas to the Venezuelan government in exchange for a larger share in Venezuela’s crude industry. > > I am 100% certain they made the best deal they could financially because that is what they care about. I am also sure they are as pleased as punch to take advantage of chaos in Venezuela to strike a better deal. Right. In any case- > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Steal the oil in recent memory, all the times the US has been accused of invading to steal oil- we havent. So, this is unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2026, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071/1472 "2026-05-24T19:15:58Z")
[US, Iran close to a deal to end war, official says](https://www.axios.com/2026/05/23/us-iran-trump-deal-war) > President Trump said Saturday that a deal to end the [war](https://www.axios.com/2026/05/23/trump-iran-deal-resume-war-interview) with Iran would be announced “shortly” and that the “final aspects” are currently being negotiated. > > **The big picture:** Trump’s comments came after separate calls with Arab and Muslim leaders and with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. This is the firmest statement the president has made that he is prepared to agree to the memorandum of understanding being negotiated with Iran. > > - A U.S. official briefed on the negotiations told Axios the deal was nearly finished but that there were still gaps on the “wording” of several points. > > **Reality check:** Trump and his advisers thought they were close to a deal several times at earlier stages in the war, but none materialized. > > **Breaking it down:** The deal is designed to end the war, gradually open the Strait of Hormuz, and launch at least 30 days of more detailed negotiations on issues including Iran’s nuclear program. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071.md?page=72) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-states-and-israel-are-bombing-iran-for-current-ongoing-events-past-future-have-specific-threads/1028071.md?page=74)