# UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in Manhattan \[breaking news: 2024-12-04\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [December 4, 2024, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159 "2024-12-04T16:11:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/563 "2024-12-10T01:21:57Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > According to Altoona Deputy Chief of Police Derek Swope, they asked Mangione whether he had been to New York recently. > > “And that really invoked a physical reaction from the suspect. He became visibly nervous, kind of shaking at that question. And he didn’t really answer it directly,” Swope said during a news conference. OK, that’s Mistake #3. The correct answer was “I’m not answering any questions without my lawyer present.” ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/564 "2024-12-10T01:22:19Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > > [@DemonTree](#): > > > > > [@Velocity](#): > > > > > > Yeah it was a big mistake for a guy with that distinctive a nose and face jaw to lower his mask. He could have wore sunglasses too to help things out. > > > > Would have been a bit conspicuous in December? > > Depends on whether it was a sunny day. Cold is not the same as cloudy. Yup. Ever since my cataract operation I’ve worn sunglasses when outdoors, all year round, on my doctor’s advice to protect my new lens from ultraviolet light. Although wearing sunglasses indoors is another kettle of fish, unless you’re going for a too cool for the world vibe. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/565 "2024-12-10T01:22:50Z")
Overall, the parallels between this idiot and the Idaho college student who murdered 4 other college students by knife are striking. IQ smart, socially clueless, way too much in his head, probably way too much in the wrong parts of the internet. And cocksure that this was a great idea. Until he found out it wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/566 "2024-12-10T01:23:05Z")
Conspicuous in cloudy places. Less so if he’d made it to the southwest. I’m reminded of how in the novel _The Silence of the Lambs_, Lecter initially hid out at an expensive hotel near a world-famous plastic surgery clinic, where people with bandages on their faces were commonplace. ETA: What @eddyteddyfreddy said. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/567 "2024-12-10T01:24:05Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Ever since my cataract operation I’ve worn sunglasses when outdoors, all year round, on my doctor’s advice to protect my new lens from ultraviolet light. Although wearing sunglasses indoors is another kettle of fish. How do you deal with your glasses fogging up? If I’m out walking or biking on a cold night, I usually have glasses and a balaclava on, and unless I untuck my nose it takes about 5 seconds for my visibility to become zero. Probably not ideal if you’re planning to shoot someone. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/568 "2024-12-10T01:25:23Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Please explain why you have quoted me and how anything I said has any connection to anything you said in apparent response. The first poster I quoted was saying the McDonald’s employee’s life was in danger for snitching. I quoted you because you posted the facts about the killer everyone was falling in love with: he’s a dangerous person who isn’t worth supporting. Apologies for any confusion. > [@Smapti](#): > > I’m not a health insurance CEO, so I doubt I’d be in much danger from him. He kills people who work for big corporations where the product can have a negative impact on a person’s health. I would think _any_ McDonald’s employee could be a target. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/569 "2024-12-10T01:28:02Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > He kills people who work for big corporations where the product can have a negative impact on a person’s health. He wasn’t on the run because he shot your local State Farm agent’s receptionist. He killed a CEO. Your average McDonald’s worker is in about as much danger of being eaten by a tiger during their cigarette break. The only thing I’m gonna say about the person who called it in is that if I were them I wouldn’t tell anyone it was me and I would quietly use the reward money to pay off some bills instead of buying anything flashy. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/570 "2024-12-10T01:28:27Z")
Another random paralllel: I read that Mangione worked at a nursing home, as did would-be Trump assassin Thomas Crooks. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/571 "2024-12-10T01:31:15Z")
Still, I do admit that this is a major reason for my hesitation condone such actions: that there are way too many stupid people who’ll take out their anger on the convenient face - the customer service worker, the manager who makes barely more than they do - rather than the true root of the issue, because those people (as we see now) are much harder to get to, and actually requires work and planning and thought, and most people want to be angry _now_. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/572 "2024-12-10T01:39:21Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > How do you deal with your glasses fogging up? If I’m out walking or biking on a cold night, I usually have glasses and a balaclava on, and unless I untuck my nose it takes about 5 seconds for my visibility to become zero. Probably not ideal if you’re planning to shoot someone. My sunglasses don’t fog up unless I’m wearing a mask as I walk into the grocery store or wherever, but my regular glasses underneath fog a little, not as much as the fitover sunglasses, when I’m KN95-masked, until I fiddle with the pinch on the nose. Bloody annoying, but whaddaya gonna do? Well, not try to shoot and hit a target when masked, sunglasses or regular lenses, unless I was a lot closer than the Adjuster. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/573 "2024-12-10T01:42:11Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > there are way too many stupid people who’ll take out their anger on the convenient face - the customer service worker, the manager who makes barely more than they do - rather than the true root of the issue, because those people (as we see now) are much harder to get to, and actually requires work and planning and thought, and most people want to be angry _now_. Oh, I’m familiar with that. I once got a death threat because I refused to give someone a refund for a breakfast burrito on the grounds that they didn’t know what chorizo was when they ordered it. Another time I had a deranged individual tell me that Walmart was trying to kill him and that I was obligated by “brotherhood” and “honor” to defend him but that he’d kill me if I called the cops. People are crazy. Honestly, if I’d been working the McDonald’s and seen this guy, I probably would’ve thought “that’s probably not him” and gone on with my life. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/574 "2024-12-10T01:44:00Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > I quoted you because you posted the facts about the killer everyone was falling in love with: he’s a dangerous person who isn’t worth supporting. Apologies for any confusion. Thanks for the clarification. All good. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/575 "2024-12-10T01:46:05Z")
Going to McDonalds is never good for you. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/576 "2024-12-10T01:46:53Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Honestly, if I’d been working the McDonald’s and seen this guy, I probably would’ve thought “that’s probably not him” and gone on with my life. That would be my problem too. I can’t imagine looking at a customer who is eating in a store and thinking, “I am so confident that that nose and jaw is indeed the nose and jaw from the news photo” that I’d call 911 on him. There could be ten thousand men in America with that same nose and jaw. I’d be very much thinking I’d embarrass myself and get the ire of a wrongfully-accused man. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/577 "2024-12-10T01:53:00Z")
The eyebrows would have been the tell for me. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/578 "2024-12-10T01:56:04Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Honestly, if I’d been working the McDonald’s and seen this guy, I probably would’ve thought “that’s probably not him” and gone on with my life. I have to say that the person who called 911 was a lot more perceptive that I am and deserving of the reward that I presume they’ll get. I can definitely see a resemblance between the published security-cam photos and the full pictures of the perp, but I would probably not have had very high confidence that it was the same person. Anyway, this guy made more than just a few mistakes – he seemed to be in the grip of huge overconfidence, as if getting out of NYC meant that he was now completely safe. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/579 "2024-12-10T01:56:46Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > From what I see, he made two mistakes - he lowered his mask while he was on camera, I’ve seen conflicting versions of that. One was that he lowered his mask to flirt with the hostel clerk, but the other was that she asked him to lower his mask to check him against his (fake) photo ID. If that was the case, then that was a reasonable thing to expect. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/580 "2024-12-10T02:03:07Z")
Hubris for sure. And from some of his reading list I’ve seen he may have had a bit of an “ubermensch” complex. I mean, he actually planned this out, did research on where his target would be and even managed to get what appears to be a 3D printed gun. He managed to escape the scene and get to Central Park where there weren’t many cameras and then get to the Port Authority to catch a bus out of town. ALL of this done by end of the day on Wednesday before there were any pictures of him out there. That should have made him pretty much untraceable. IF he had been as smart as he thought he was, he would have gone to the airport after ditching the gun and headed far, far away. TSA wouldn’t have been watching for him since there weren’t any pitcures yet and no one knew his name until today. He appears to have had a US passport on him so he could have gone anywhere. Instead he ends up in Altoona, PA where he is caught 5 days later. Sounds like he managed to plan the crime but for some reason didn’t bother to plan an escape. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/581 "2024-12-10T02:08:15Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > she asked him to lower his mask to check him against his (fake) photo ID That actually sounds much more plausible than the “flirting” theory. Someone about to commit a planned murder is not likely to be in a flirting mood, except in the movies. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/582 "2024-12-10T02:10:44Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > IF he had been as smart as he thought he was, he would have gone to the airport after ditching the gun and headed far, far away. TSA wouldn’t have been watching for him since there weren’t any pitcures yet and no one knew his name until today. He appears to have had a US passport on him so he could have gone anywhere. Instead he ends up in Altoona, PA where he is caught 5 days later. It is real hard nowadays to fly under an assumed name. He’d be far more likely to have screwed himself at an airport than in Altoona. He’d have to fly to someplace where he could disappear electronically for good. Which is to say some foreign country. And they’d have to be willing to take in an American indefinitely. Not likely. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159.md?page=30)