# UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in Manhattan \[breaking news: 2024-12-04\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [December 4, 2024, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159 "2024-12-04T16:11:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/603 "2024-12-10T02:57:59Z")
@Velocity Exactly my point. Where are his parents or family members in this? No colleagues thought they recognized him? @LSLGuy In spite of the bickering I understand what you are saying. BUT, even if he got out of the country and the parents several weeks/months down the road reported Luigi Mangione as missing that in itself wouldn’t automatically connect him to this murder. [Here is a link to a story](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/internet-sleuths-say-wont-help-find-unitedhealthcare-ceo-suspect-rcna183228) about the internet sleuth crowd refusing to help with this case. There are more stories if one cares to look them up. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/604 "2024-12-10T02:59:52Z")
He will be extradited to NY soon and not held in PA until the trial. Assuming he will be held at [Rikers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rikers_Island). PA would probably be better. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/605 "2024-12-10T03:07:14Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > The New York authorities had been saying that they had info as to his name that they were not releasing. No, Eric Adams said that. It’s a safe assumption that he was full of shit, as usual, because I don’t see how having the name and not releasing it to the public would possibly have made finding him any easier. > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > And if he’s in an airport, you don’t think security wouldn’t have had a BOLO alert, with his pics, especially if he was trying to fly out of JFK, the closest, quickest international airport? He would be on security cameras pretty much the entire time. For a white male in his 20s-30s with dark hair? That probably describes about half of the passengers at any given airport. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/606 "2024-12-10T03:16:01Z")
Exactly. And as I mentioned there weren’t pictures of his face in at least the first 12 hours after the killing. More than enough time for him to get to an airport and head out, given he had a passport. Also this update from the [NYT](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/09/nyregion/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-news/e6bd2a9d-6cb7-5844-b04b-74d196c2675e?smid=url-share) indicates he had been out of touch with his family for a while: > Aaron Cranston, a former classmate of Mangione at Gilman School in Baltimore, said that Mangione was a smart and ambitious student and that it was hard to understand him being suspected in such a crime. The two did not remain close after high school, but Cranston said he and other peers were forwarded a message earlier this year because Mangione’s family was trying to track him down. Cranston said the message reported that family members had not heard from Mangione for several months following a back surgery. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/607 "2024-12-10T03:17:34Z")
He’s an example of what I sometimes call “generic Italian guy” - looks vaguely familiar to me, but I’m not sure from where. Not even sure if it’s him that I know or if he just looks like the guy at the pizzeria ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/608 "2024-12-10T03:18:34Z")
How would it have helped him to leave the country? Most anyplace he could have gone extradites to the US for murder. Surely it’s easier for him to blend in here, at home. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/609 "2024-12-10T03:36:42Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > How would it have helped him to leave the country? Most anyplace he could have gone extradites to the US for murder. There’s a good chance he never would have been identified if he hadn’t been spotted and contacted by the police while he had the murder weapon and fake IDs and manifesto on him. We’re probably going to find out eventually that the phone left at the crime scene was a decoy that had no useful information on it, assuming the police are ever even able to unlock it without his help. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/610 "2024-12-10T03:38:21Z")
Maybe you are correct. But to extradite **the US would need a name.** And it appears the only reason we have the name Luigi Mangione is because the McDonald’s employee recognized him. If he got out of the country that becomes less likely. If you are wanted in the US for a high profile crime it is less likely your face will be all over television and other media in another country. Maybe Canada wouldn’t be that great but it would be possible to pass yourself off as a tourist in a number of countries for an extended period of time. Still, the fact he was no further than Altoona indicates to me a serious flaw in his escape planning. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/611 "2024-12-10T03:39:30Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Still, the fact he was no further than Altoona indicates to me a serious flaw in his escape planning. Maybe he was just really craving some pizza with salami, bell peppers, and American cheese. > **[Altoona-style pizza](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altoona-style_pizza)** > > Altoona-style pizza is a distinct type of pizza created in the city of Altoona, Pennsylvania, by the Altoona Hotel. The definitive characteristics of Altoona-style pizza are a Sicilian-style pizza dough, tomato sauce, sliced green bell pepper, salami, topped with American cheese and pizzas cut into squares instead of wedges. > The crust is made of a Sicilian-style pizza dough, giving the pie a thick and soft crust. Instead of the larger pie-like wedges typical of many pizza styles, Altoona Hotel p... ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/612 "2024-12-10T03:43:42Z")
I’m good with everything other than the American cheese. I like it just fine in certain applications but not on pizza. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/613 "2024-12-10T03:47:52Z")
That looks disgusting. (Side note: I deleted a reference to the shooter from the article: “American Hero, Luigi Mangione, was in Altoona to erase this evil from America.”) ETA: although the anonymous editor obviously agreed with my take on the pizza. > **[Altoona-style pizza](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Altoona-style_pizza&diff=prev&oldid=1262200657)** > > Altoona-style pizza is a distinct type of pizza created in the city of Altoona, Pennsylvania, by the Altoona Hotel. The definitive characteristics of Altoona-style pizza are a Sicilian-style pizza dough, tomato sauce, sliced green bell pepper, salami, topped with American cheese and pizzas cut into squares instead of wedges. > The crust is made of a Sicilian-style pizza dough, giving the pie a thick and soft crust. Instead of the larger pie-like wedges typical of many pizza styles, Altoona Hotel p... ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/614 "2024-12-10T03:58:58Z")
His name may well have been given to authorities along with about the name of 50 other people who someone thought looked like the shooter. It would take a while to go through all of those leads. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/615 "2024-12-10T04:01:27Z")
True. And that would have given him enough time to find somewhere better to hide than within a few hours of the scene of the crime. Farther away would seem to make it easier to hide, at least to me. He didn’t do that and now he is in custody. Which is a good thing in case anyone isn’t clear on that. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/616 "2024-12-10T04:02:36Z")
We’re all speculating here, but the best reason I can think to NOT dump the weapon was that they had additional targets, and didn’t have additional weapons. By reporting, they didn’t expect to get caught this quickly (duh) but keeping the weapon was always going to be a risk, -unless- they’re the sort of confident smart but arrogant person who thinks they’re too smart to ever get caught. Again, something similar to Kohberger (the accused Idaho State Killer). Lots of smarts - but they got caught as well because even with good planning, there’s just SO MUCH information out there. And as stated upthread, sometimes all it takes is ONE lucky break for it all to fall apart. Personally (strictly IMHO) I don’t think they were ever planning on fleeing the nation though - that’s just an assumption of what we would want to do in the same boat. I’m not saying they wanted to get caught, but the whole writing a manifesto indicates they figured they’d get caught eventually. Probably didn’t expect it to be nearly this soon (getting visually identified without he mask was going to make that hard) and reporting had him working on a laptop when he was caught. He may have been keeping up on the progress of the investigation and figuring out his next step as it were. Or, if he’s an attention seeker (seems likely) he may have been enjoying his fame. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/617 "2024-12-10T04:04:20Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > That’s what surprises me the most. That the person to call the cops on this gunman was some total stranger at a restaurant rather than people who have seen and known this gunman for years or decades Many acquaintances may have called the police. It was reported that the police already had a name. But until they have him in hand, all they have is the name. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/618 "2024-12-10T04:06:44Z")
So you release the name and let people know who you are seeking. SOP. Plus, this tidbit was reported by Mayor Adams in the NY Post. Based on past situations, both are unreliable sources. I doubt they had this guy’s name until they encountered him at the McDonalds. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/619 "2024-12-10T04:13:10Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Plus, this tidbit was reported by Mayor Adams in the NY Post. It was reported more recently by other outlets. > [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > So you release the name and let people know who you are seeking. SOP. Clearly not in this case. He was on the run under an assumed name. Releasing his real name isn’t going to help track him down. Unless you’re a cop, I don’t think you can be declaring what is SOP in this circumstance. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/620 "2024-12-10T04:19:22Z")
I would enjoy seeing what other outlets reported they had a name. And I don’t mean that in a snarky way, I would genuinely enjoy seeing a cite to that. As to releasing the name - no I’m not a cop. But it has been typical in past situations for the police to tell the public who they suspect and need to find asap. They didn’t do that this time. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/621 "2024-12-10T04:26:11Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > But it has been typical in past situations for the police to tell the public who they suspect and need to find asap. They didn’t do that this time. How would it have helped find him? He was nowhere near anyone who knew him or his real name. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/622 "2024-12-10T04:27:22Z")
Just the fact that he was chilling at a McDonalds after his eyebrows have been all over the news is so completely reckless. [CNN has some interesting background](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/09/us/luigi-mangione-what-we-know-monday/index.html) on him, with some health struggles involving back surgery. The most significant part is Magione’s comment on the Unabomber, that someone already mentioned upthread: > [@](#): > > “It’s easy to quickly and thoughtless(ly) write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic, in order to avoid facing some of the uncomfortable problems it identifies. But it’s simply impossible to ignore how prescient many of his predictions about modern society turned out,” Mangione wrote in a review of the book in January. “He was a violent individual – rightfully imprisoned – who maimed innocent people. While these actions tend to be characterized as those of a crazy luddite, however, they are more accurately seen as those of an extreme political revolutionary.” > > In his review, Mangione also shared thoughts someone else had written about Kaczynski in a Reddit thread, quoting a commenter who had described his acts as “war and revolution,” saying that he “had the balls to recognize that peaceful protest has gotten us absolutely nowhere” and that “‘Violence never solved anything’ is a statement uttered by cowards and predators.” The thoughts and views expressed here are not any more remarkable to me than a yawn and a shrug as the reaction to the cold-blooded assassination of some corporate america CEO. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159.md?page=32)