# UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in Manhattan \[breaking news: 2024-12-04\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [December 4, 2024, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159 "2024-12-04T16:11:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/683 "2024-12-10T20:57:31Z")
So, he shot the guy _in the back_ because he wanted the guy to expecience back pain. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/684 "2024-12-10T21:22:44Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > I can’t imagine any scenario in which these were not deliberate actions by the shooter to get caught. … If the shooter had just acted totally casually, there would have been no pre-textual justification for a search and even if they had searched, if he had discarded everything incriminating, then there was no justification for holding him. He seems to have deliberately engineered a sequence of events where he could be caught … This is my belief, too. As many have suggested, Mangione could have done several things differently. For example, an easy fix for the likely event of someone in NYC asking him to take down his mask would have been to grow facial hair. (We know he planned this crime in advance.) Then he could have shaved it off–maybe even in Central Park. He could have purchased food and camped out in the woods (in a southern state, perhaps) for weeks until the story fell out of the news cycle. Etc. etc. But he wanted to be caught. He wants to make his point. He’s happy to go to trial, assuming he can get up on the stand and say what he wants to say. It may be because he’s in chronic pain; he can’t see any way to have a good life, so he’s decided to do _ **this** _ with his life. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/685 "2024-12-10T21:46:21Z")
Ken Klippenstein has published what seems to be the [actual manifesto](https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto) that was found when they apprehended him: > “To the Feds, I’ll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn’t working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.” He was 100% planning to get caught and had everything by his side so there was no doubt as to who he was when they caught him. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/686 "2024-12-10T21:56:48Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > He was 100% planning to get caught and had everything by his side so there was no doubt as to who he was when they caught him. Yes. And moreover I believe he’s not going to fight to avoid prison. (Though I could see him pleading ‘not guilty’ in order to ensure he gets a trial and thus another chance to say his piece.) ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/687 "2024-12-10T22:07:18Z")
I am curious if they were being stingy with pain medication. I have some significant back issues myself and the doctors give me Tylenol and Gabapentin. If he has become addicted, that could complicate a life. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/688 "2024-12-10T22:11:06Z")
Nowadays undermedication by legit docs is a bigger problem than overmedication by now-better-camoflaged pill mills. ---
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/689 "2024-12-10T22:30:57Z")
@LSLGuy Absolutely. I had been on some kind of opiate medication since the mid 1990s after years of massive ibuprofen doses tore a hole in my stomach. I was hit by a car when I was 3 and drug down the street which resulted in a number of painful injuries that follow me to this day. My doctor retired last year and had tapered me off the last of the pain medication. Now I struggle with the occasional prednisone Rx and OTC meds which my body has difficulty tolerating. My quality of life was much better while on the medications but I have no choice at this point. I can understand someone going through this at a young age. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/690 "2024-12-10T22:38:50Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Given that Mangione was caught scarfing down McDonald’s food (he’s pictured eating what appears to be a bag of fries), his impassioned critiques of corporate America and Americans’ health/life expectancy have a certain reek of irony. Compared to the pizza-with-Kraft-singles linked above, McDonald’s was probably the better choice. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/691 "2024-12-10T23:26:03Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > Ken Klippenstein has published what seems to be the [actual manifesto](https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto) that was found when they apprehended him: Thanks for sharing that. Pretty crappy manifesto. “I threw my life away for this cause but I’m too lazy and under-qualified to fully put it into words so ‘parasites need killing’ kay bye.” ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/692 "2024-12-10T23:30:30Z")
He has a lawyer. Thomas Dickey who is a long time defense attorney based in Altoona. He was a public defender before going into private practice in 1984 and has appeared on CNN and local tv. He’s planning on fighting extradition to NY. > **[Who Is Thomas M. Dickey, Altoona Lawyer Representing Luigi Mangione?](https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/who-is-thomas-m-dickey-altoona-lawyer-representing-luigi-mangione-article-116186493)** > > Thomas M. Dickey is a seasoned attorney based in Altoona, Pennsylvania. He will be representing Luigi Mangione in connection with the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. , US News News - Times Now [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/2TI6CrEsELU/maxresdefault.jpg "MANGIONE DEFENSE ATTORNEY SPEAKS") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TI6CrEsELU) ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/693 "2024-12-10T23:47:55Z")
This guy had to know that he would be captured sooner or later, but the longer he evaded capture, the greater his legend would grow. Why make it so easy? I was hoping for 30 days or indefinite instead of 5 days. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/694 "2024-12-10T23:48:09Z")
Looks to be just the kind of slimeball lawyer I would have expected to take the case. The first words out of his mouth were that he’s seen “zero evidence” that his client has done anything wrong. This should go well. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/695 "2024-12-11T00:00:39Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Harkening back to the Idaho college stabbings, IIRC there was a period of a week or three while the cops appeared to be making no progress. Various leads were examined then discarded, various people of interest were interviewed then declared non-suspects, etc. > > Then they identified and then arrested what’s-his-name. Starts with a K. I live a mile from that murder scene. Our Police knew a lot more than they were telling, and were watching him a good while before the arrest. (Not trying to hijack the thread.) ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/696 "2024-12-11T00:00:49Z")
Especially since extradition between states doesn’t require the requesting state to provide evidence that the person committed the crime to the state where the person was found. The evidence will have been shown to a judge in Manhattan when NYPD obtained a warrant. All the PA court is going to consider is whether he is the person named in the indictment or complaint and not some other Luigi Mangione, which won’t be an issue in this case. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/697 "2024-12-11T00:00:49Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Looks to be just the kind of slimeball lawyer I would have expected to take the case. I guess Alan Dershowitz must have been unavailable. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/698 "2024-12-11T00:00:56Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > but the longer he evaded capture, the greater his legend would grow I’m not sure I agree with this snip. It would certainly have been true 20+ years ago. In the current tiktok-driven world there is today’s hotness, yesterday’s hotness, and the undifferentiated ooze of all human history from the day before yesterday back to the ape-men of the Olduvai. This kid grew up in that tiktok world. He may have thought, IMO rightly, that after 5 days he was about to become online nobody if he didn’t get caught soon. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2024, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/699 "2024-12-11T00:06:50Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Looks to be just the kind of slimeball lawyer I would have expected to take the case. The first words out of his mouth were that he’s seen “zero evidence” that his client has done anything wrong I don’t know this guy, but I wouldn’t call him a slimeball for that quote. Any lawyer would say _something_ like that. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/700 "2024-12-11T00:07:10Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > My sunglasses don’t fog up unless I’m wearing a mask as I walk into the grocery store or wherever, but my regular glasses underneath fog a little, not as much as the fitover sunglasses, when I’m KN95-masked, until I fiddle with the pinch on the nose. Bloody annoying, but whaddaya gonna do? I’ve had photophobia (large pupils in my case) all my life and at various times have worn shades indoors, outdoors, year round. The glare of overcast days can be just as uncomfotrtable as direct sunlight. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2024, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/701 "2024-12-11T00:36:25Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Looks to be just the kind of slimeball lawyer I would have expected to take the case. The first words out of his mouth were that he’s seen “zero evidence” that his client has done anything wrong Every defendant—even one as obviously guilty as Mangione—is deserving of a vigorous defense. As long as Dickey doesn’t compel his client to lie under oath, present false evidence or knowingly fraudulent testimony, tamper with the jury, or somehow influence the judge into ‘throwing’ the trial, he is not a “slimeball lawyer”; he is defense counsel doing his best in ensuring that his client receives the best deal that he can, either in terms of a plea agreement (likely unless the client’s family is willing to provide extensive financial resources or Dickey has a substantial war chest), or his “day in court” to explain his motivations and any mitigating factors for the jury to consider in their deliberations. He will certainly get more consideration and just legal representation than the hundreds of thousands of clients of United Healthcare whose medical claims and treatment requests were unjustly denied and forced into an arbitration process overseen and ultimately determined by UHC. Given the evidence already known to be available, plus whatever forensic evidence and circumstantial testimony about Mangione’s movements, motivations, and any statements he may have made to potential prosecution witnesses, the likelihood of some ‘magic shrinking glove’ lawyering getting him an acquittal is so negligible that conviction is virtually a foregone conclusion unless the defendant is somehow found to be mentally incapable of formulating intent or understanding the the nature of the proceedings. But I am not a lawyer so perhaps someone experienced in criminal law such as @Moriarty will weigh in with the benefit of practical experience in this area. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2024, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/702 "2024-12-11T00:51:50Z")
A somewhat interesting [article](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ceo-killing-and-rage-over-insurance-plunges-unitedhealth-into-crisis/ar-AA1vAXNs)\* about the aftermath (immediate and ongoing) at UnitedHealth. One thing that caught me a bit off guard: After the executives were directed to another hotel entrance … > The executives headed into the building and upstairs to the conference area where they sipped coffee, chatted and proceeded to get their hair and makeup done. Given that “executives” are mostly / almost always male, I found that last bit borderline creepy. \* Sorry, Discourse wouldn’t embed. Something about a missing image. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159.md?page=36)