# UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in Manhattan \[breaking news: 2024-12-04\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [December 4, 2024, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159 "2024-12-04T16:11:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/763 "2024-12-12T00:42:33Z")
Not immediately, but it’s already led to greater progress in healthcare self-awareness and possible change in the past 9 days than in the past 9 years. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/764 "2024-12-12T00:44:51Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Not immediately, but it’s already led to greater progress in healthcare self-awareness and possible change in the past 9 days than in the past 9 years.   What changes? All I see is security companies getting a lot more business. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/765 "2024-12-12T00:45:18Z")
Frankly, I don’t see this at all. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/766 "2024-12-12T04:07:55Z")
5 posts were merged into an existing topic: [United healthcare CEO assassinated, the P&E edition {This is not a gun debate/statistics thread!}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/317) ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/767 "2024-12-12T01:02:48Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > > [@needscoffee](#): > > > > No one “came forward”? You know that none of his acquaintences called the police or FBI on him? > > The cops didn’t show up at a McDonald’s in Altoona because one of his acquaintances called the FBI, now did they? No they didn’t. AIUI, the tip was called in by an employee or customer. You are correct. But what does that have to do with whether or not an acquaintance called the FBI? There is some basic violation of logic there but I’m not fluent in Logicisity or Syllogismese so I can’t concisely describe it. But the faulty reasoning is something obvious like: > **A** was arrested because **B** made **Call X** to the authorities > > **C, D, E and F** did not make **Call X** > > Therefore **C, D, E, and F** could not have made **Call Y or Z** to the the authorities bwuhhhhhh??? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/768 "2024-12-12T01:07:02Z")
My point is that if the feds knew his name, they would have released it. Despite Eric Adams’ braggadocious nonsense, there’s no reason to hold onto the name - releasing it, along with his known pseudonyms, would have made it harder for him to hide and easier to track down. No name released, therefore they didn’t have the name, therefore it’s improbable that anyone who knew him called in a tip. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/769 "2024-12-12T01:15:27Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > You say you’re **married** to this guy? 😉 He wasn’t always like this. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/773 "2024-12-12T02:40:16Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > But what does that have to do with whether or not an acquaintance called the FBI? I read somewhere that the police received around 200 credible tips from the public and none of them had the name “Mangione”. Sorry, no cites, I just remember it because it was has been such a point of contention here. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/774 "2024-12-12T02:46:17Z")
IF the authorities had his name before the arrest I anticipate we will eventually find that out. At this point I haven’t seen anything to make me think they had his name. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/775 "2024-12-12T02:46:17Z")
Moderating: Reminder, this is the breaking news thread. > [@United healthcare CEO assassinated, the P&E edition {This is not a gun debate/statistics thread!}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/317): > > 50 years ago - “Medicare for all” was proposed as far back as the Nixon administration (then Watergate derailed a lot of stuff that might have otherwise happened). > [@Zoobi](#): > > Ad long as Republicans exist and keep getting voted into office, universal health care will never ever ever happen. If you voted Republican or supported Republicans in your past you can look at yourself in the mirror when trying to find someone to blame. > > Your bloodthirsty fantasies aren’t going to do anything. > [@RickJay](#): > > Look, if you want murders to just be a thing people encourage because they don’t like some element of public policy, I wish you well. It’s not going to turn out the way you were hoping > [@LSLGuy](#): > > As mentioned upthread, Nixon of all people was in the process of extending Medicare to everyone when Watergate intervened. > > Republicans then and now are very different parties. Dems too, but the R’s have had a brain-ectomy and been turned into Beelzebub, while Ds now are simply much of what Rs used to be then. These would all be better in the companion political thread. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/776 "2024-12-12T03:45:48Z")
Perhaps the most shocking moment in my time here on the SDMB is now, with so many long-time respected posters having such a flippant (which is the kindest way I could possibly describe it) attitude towards the cold-blooded murder of a human being. If this is any indication of how the rest of society is trending, humanity is surely doomed. We’re apparently not that far removed from throwing virgins into the volcano. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/778 "2024-12-12T04:05:50Z")
Moderating: > [@United healthcare CEO assassinated, the P&E edition {This is not a gun debate/statistics thread!}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/united-healthcare-ceo-assassinated-the-p-e-edition-this-is-not-a-gun-debate-statistics-thread/1011195/321): > > I mean, we need to look at the overall picture. If we’re going to say that it’s shocking that people have a flippant attitude towards the cold-blooded murder of 1 human being, then we equally have to say that it’s shocking that these CEOs and insurance companies are flippant about the cold-blooded killing of thousands of human beings. > > The only difference between Mangione and the CEOs is that Mangione did his killing with a gun while those CEOs/companies did it with a pen. And those companies ran up a far higher death toll. This also belongs in the other thread, not in the breaking news thread. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/779 "2024-12-12T04:09:37Z")
I’ve just moved the 5 posts i mod-noted to the other thread. Please direct the political discussion to that thread, not this breaking news thread. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/780 "2024-12-12T05:13:47Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > take all executive officers of onerous health insurance and unified care companies, remove them to a remote, ‘undisclosed location’ like Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, and keep them incommunicado for both their own safety and everyone elses’… _…tune in each week as the health insurance executives compete in various contests and challenges to avoid being voted off the island._ _Who will be the ultimate Conniver?_ Coming this fall to CBS: _ **Connivor** _ ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/781 "2024-12-12T05:16:46Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > This has been said here multiple times, and I agree. But in open-and-shut cases of premeditated murder like this, **my** self-assigned job is to ridicule said defense attorney when they try to assert their client’s innocence despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. > [@wolfpup](#): > > The gun found on the suspect **[has now been definitively linked to the shell casings found on the crime scene](https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/11/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-shooter-wednesday/index.html)**. > > So for sure, they definitely got the wrong guy and should let him go right away! 😃 Someone who is not comfortable with shooting the gaps between what the evidence says probably (or even almost certainly) happened and what the evidence doesn’t rule out with complete metaphysical certainty has no business being an attorney. If you find that laughable or ridiculous, I don’t know what else to tell you. Anyway, if _you’re_ ever accused of a crime (whether you did it or not) I hope _you_ don’t get a defense attorney who just shrugs and says “Well, I guess you sure do look guilty. Sorry, old chap, you’ll just have to take your lumps lying down. The prosecutor, and the news media, and Chuck at the corner bar all say you definitely did it, so who am I to say otherwise?” Or, as the Westerosi say, I wish you good fortune in the wars to come. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/782 "2024-12-12T05:19:31Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > This has been said here multiple times, and I agree. But in open-and-shut cases of premeditated murder like this, **my** self-assigned job is to ridicule said defense attorney when they try to assert their client’s innocence despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. So press releases from the police, repeated by the news media, establish an open and shut case? Why not just send him to jail for life right away? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/783 "2024-12-12T05:36:54Z")
Security concerns now being considered by corporate America generally; not restricted to health insurance companies. If a banking or car-maker CEO gets gunned down next, will there be the same cheering on the SDMB? > **[Fear in the C-Suite after UnitedHealthcare CEO gunned down | CNN Business](https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/11/business/ceo-shooting-unitedhealth-security/index.html)** > > Corporations are scrambling to protect their senior executives. Boards are reassessing security budgets. And CEOs are being told to delete their digital footprints. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/784 "2024-12-12T05:46:37Z")
This seems the logical next step for corporations that may be targeted. I saw a report about [wanted posters for CEOs](https://abcnews.go.com/US/executive-hit-lists-wanted-posters-nypd-warns-threats/story?id=116662519) popping up in Manhattan. One of them is for Thompson with a red X over his face. The others are for other CEOs. @Northern_Piper I think the “cheering” for this on the SDMB has been limited to a small number of posters. And it has mostly been happening in the P&E thread as this breaking news thread doesn’t strike me as the best place to do that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/785 "2024-12-12T05:54:28Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Someone who is not comfortable with shooting the gaps between what the evidence says probably (or even almost certainly) happened and what the evidence doesn’t rule out with complete metaphysical certainty has no business being an attorney. If you find that laughable or ridiculous, I don’t know what else to tell you. **Wolfpup** was talking about my Liberty Daily-reading husband, not any lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159/786 "2024-12-12T06:23:15Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > **Wolfpup** was talking about my Liberty Daily-reading husband, not any lawyer. “ **my** self-assigned job is to ridicule said defense attorney when they try to assert their client’s innocence despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary” That part at least was very clearly about the defense attorney. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-in-manhattan-breaking-news-2024-12-04/1011159.md?page=40)