# Universe - Is it Infinite?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/universe-is-it-infinite/257465
**Category:** Factual Questions
**Created:** [July 29, 2004, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/universe-is-it-infinite/257465 "2004-07-29T17:56:46Z")
**Posts on this page:** 5
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### Author:  [@Kel\_Varnsen\_Latex\_Division](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kel_Varnsen_Latex_Division)
#### Post date: [July 29, 2004, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/universe-is-it-infinite/257465/1 "2004-07-29T17:56:46Z")
Is the universe infinite? Was the singularity before the Big Bang infinite?
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [July 29, 2004, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/universe-is-it-infinite/257465/2 "2004-07-29T19:27:53Z")
Current evidence suggests that the Universe is probably infinite, though that’s not completely certain (it could be finite but much larger than our observational capability can probe). Certainly, it’s boundless: If it’s finite, then it “wraps around” in some manner. And if it is infinite now, then it was alwas infinite at all times after the Big Bang, and will always be infinite (likewise the converse: If it’s finite now, then it always was and always will be finite).
You’ll notice that I avoided saying whether it was infinite at a time of exactly t=0. With the current state of the art of physics (and quite possibly, with the best state of the art that can ever be developed), we can’t say anything meaningful about that moment. This is, in fact, why that’s called a singularity.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [July 29, 2004, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/universe-is-it-infinite/257465/3 "2004-07-29T19:35:58Z")
Just FYI, there is no factual answer to your question. Were you expecting there to be one?
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### Author:  [@Kel\_Varnsen\_Latex\_Division](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kel_Varnsen_Latex_Division)
#### Post date: [July 29, 2004, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/universe-is-it-infinite/257465/4 "2004-07-29T19:59:58Z")
> [@Chronos](#):
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> Certainly, it’s boundless: If it’s finite, then it “wraps around” in some manner.
Can you expand on this?
What does it mean that the universe is boundless? Does this mean that there is no edge to the universe? How does this relate to the universe expanding? What is the universe expanding into? Nothingness?
How would the universe wrap back on itself? Wouldn’t this make it infinite like a Möbius Strip ?
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### Author:  [@Mathochist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mathochist)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2004, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/universe-is-it-infinite/257465/5 "2004-07-31T00:20:54Z")
> [@Kel Varnsen - Latex Division](#):
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> Can you expand on this?
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> What does it mean that the universe is boundless? Does this mean that there is no edge to the universe? How does this relate to the universe expanding? What is the universe expanding into? Nothingness?
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> How would the universe wrap back on itself? Wouldn’t this make it infinite like a Möbius Strip ?
Didn’t we just [do this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=266241)?