# Unleash the Kraken **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 11, 2011, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unleash-the-kraken/599354 "2011-10-11T22:50:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unleash-the-kraken/599354/1 "2011-10-11T22:50:52Z")
…and hide your ichthyosaurs: [http://www.geosociety.org/news/pr/11-65.htm](http://www.geosociety.org/news/pr/11-65.htm) OK, so the title–“Giant Kraken Lair Discovered”–oversells it a bit. Well, maybe a lot, given that the evidence is entirely circumstantial. It’s still nifty for those of us fascinated by giant Triassic monsters. The upshot is that a paleontologist has come up with a new explanation for a very peculiar fossil site in Berlin-Ichthyosaur State Park in Nevada, which is notable for the neatly arranged fossil remains of nine 45-foot ichthyosaurs. Paleontologist Mark McMenamin has suggested that the bones were arranged by a predator that killed the reptiles and dragged them back to its lair to feed. Specifically, he’s picturing an octopus big enough to eat whale-sized carnivorous lizards. It’s a hell of an image. Pity there’s almost no chance of finding fossil evidence of such a creature. Then again, maybe McMenamin is right, and it left us a self-portrait in the bones of its prey. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unleash-the-kraken/599354/2 "2011-10-11T22:55:35Z")
I thought this thread would be about the commercials for [this rum](http://www.krakenrum.com/site.html). ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unleash-the-kraken/599354/3 "2011-10-11T23:00:11Z")
I want to know how one “leashes the Kraken” in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unleash-the-kraken/599354/4 "2011-10-11T23:03:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Pity there’s almost no chance of finding fossil evidence of such a creature. Actually, cephalopods have internal cartilage – they’re not _all_ soft tissue. Even octopus, and I’ll bet a big octopus would need more support for its large eyes – they have cartilage equivalents of orbits and scleral ossicles. So there is a possibility of some fossilized remains. I n addition, there have certainly been fossilized remains of carbon films from the bodies of ancient octopodes. ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unleash-the-kraken/599354/5 "2011-10-11T23:17:04Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Actually, cephalopods have internal cartilage – they’re not _all_ soft tissue. Even octopus, and I’ll bet a big octopus would need more support for its large eyes – they have cartilage equivalents of orbits and scleral ossicles. So there is a possibility of some fossilized remains. > > I n addition, there have certainly been fossilized remains of carbon films from the bodies of ancient octopodes. All true, and certainly a beak could be fossilized as well, which is why I said “almost”. Its evident choice of prey places it as a top predator, so one would expect it to have a low population compared to its prey. Relative rarity combined with fewer body structures that commonly leave recognizable fossil traces means that odds are heavily against finding hard evidence. Don’t get me wrong–I’d love to see it, and it’s possible that further examination of the Arizona site will turn something up. I’m just not getting my hopes up. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unleash-the-kraken/599354/6 "2011-10-11T23:38:57Z")
Berlin-Ichthyosaur is waaaayyy out in the boonies, but definitely worth a stop. They have a neat [“life sized” mural](http://parks.nv.gov/photo/BI/berlin2.jpg) outside the visitor center. ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unleash-the-kraken/599354/7 "2011-10-12T00:35:25Z")
> [@blondebear](#): > > They have a neat [“life sized” mural](http://parks.nv.gov/photo/BI/berlin2.jpg) outside the visitor center. Someone should make a giant tentacle and drape it over the top of that wall. 😃