# Unnecessary? (Essay appropriateness question) **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 10, 2007, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716 "2007-09-10T23:33:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2007, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716/1 "2007-09-10T23:33:11Z")
Today was the day that we (myself and my fellow English 124 students, that is) brought in drafts of our first essay of the semester for peer evaluation. It’s pretty far beneath my level, and I only really have to take the class because of a technicality about how my English credits transferred from other schools. But I’ve decided to make the most of it, and strive to turn in the finest writing I can muster. To that end, I wasn’t bothered by most of the (little) criticism my paper received. Most of it was off-target anyway, like the helpful reminder to underline my title and put a period at the end of it (no need, according to Purdue University’s acclaimed [Online Writing Lab](http://owl.english.purdue.edu/media/jpeg/20060509041652_557.jpg)). Other marks pointed out a pair of run-on sentences, which indeed have been my bane for a long time. One mark somewhat baffled me, though. > [@fetus](#): > > …in much the same way that some poor women are addicted to celebrity gossip magazines. **(I’ve never seen that industry make more of a killing than in a minimum-wage break room.)** Bolding added here for emphasis. My reviewer emphasized that segment with brackets on each side, then drew an arrow pointing to a single word: > [@peer reviewer](#): > > necessary? Granted, I don’t have a cite for it, but it’s absolutely true in my experience. (I’m working on finding a reputable cite, and I’ll remove it if I can’t, but hey, this is the first draft.) If “some poor women are addicted to celebrity gossip magazines” is appropriate, then what’s inappropriate or “unnecessary” about “I’ve never seen that industry make more of a killing than in a minimum-wage break room”? I didn’t get a chance to ask my reviewer about it, and I’m curious about the Dope world’s opinion. Do you think he was just trying to cut out fluff from my (admittedly long) paper, or did I cross a line? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2007, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716/2 "2007-09-10T23:55:53Z")
Unless this particular analogy is essential to the point of your essay, I’d change it. Whether true or not, sarcastic asides about the reading tastes of the poor are going to distract some readers from the main thrust of your argument. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2007, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716/3 "2007-09-10T23:58:51Z")
Yes, minimum wage break rooms are necessary. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716/4 "2007-09-11T00:05:53Z")
[QUOTE=fetus] Today was the day that we (myself and my fellow English 124 students, that is) brought in drafts of our first essay of the semester for peer evaluation. It’s pretty far beneath my level… [/QUOTE] Not if you don’t know that it should be “my fellow English 124 students and I.” ---
**Author:** ![shimmery](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@shimmery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shimmery)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716/5 "2007-09-11T00:15:19Z")
[history major] What’s this paper about, anyway? I would never say either of those things without a cite. Do English majors get to do that? [ETA - well, I hope you guys have better reading comprehension than I do … I see that you vow to delete this should you fail to find a cite.] The two remarks seem to be about the same level of appropriateness. If you aim to be concise, the parenthetical addition is unnecessary because it conveys exactly the same information as what came right before it. Also, maybe I’m just a hater, but I learned that parentheses say “there’s nothing important inside of me, please feel free to skip on ahead!” Whenever you think you need parentheses, semicolons, or dashes, think again just to make sure. [/history major] ---
**Author:** ![Harriet\_the\_Spry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e56c9b/32.png) [@Harriet\_the\_Spry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harriet_the_Spry)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716/6 "2007-09-11T00:46:29Z")
When I write for fun, personal letters or Dope posts, for example, I like to use parentheses for little asides like that (as fans\* of my posts will note). But in academic writing they get nothing but hate. In academic writing, use parentheses only when they are required by the style guide, like (Brilliant and Nurdy, 1976). Use of parenthetical asides is a sign of writing how you talk. In general, academic writing is not conversational. That’s not to say it should be wordy and pretentious, but concise and precise. - OK, probably at most, “the fan.” ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716/7 "2007-09-11T00:57:39Z")
[QUOTE=twickster] Not if you don’t know that it should be “my fellow English 124 students and I.” [/QUOTE] Ah, prescriptivism rears its ugly head once more! Next you’re going to tell me that “their” isn’t acceptable as a singular possessive determiner. > [@Pochacco](#): > > Whether true or not, sarcastic asides about the reading tastes of the poor are going to distract some readers from the main thrust of your argument. Fair enough. > [@shimmery](#): > > The two remarks seem to be about the same level of appropriateness. If you aim to be concise, the parenthetical addition is unnecessary because it conveys exactly the same information as what came right before it. > > Also, maybe I’m just a hater, but I learned that parentheses say “there’s nothing important inside of me, please feel free to skip on ahead!” Whenever you think you need parentheses, semicolons, or dashes, think again just to make sure. To be fair, it _is_ a little different in English than in History. (I’m actually a linguistics major, BTW.) But you have a point. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716/8 "2007-09-11T01:22:11Z")
I can’t imagine how we could judge the appropriateness of your aside without context. Was this a factual report, an opinion piece, or a chatty essay about personal experience? And what was the analogy–in other words, _what_ was the same as poor women being addicted to celebrity gossip magazines? Maybe the aside was necessary, or maybe the analogy could have stood on its own, or maybe it shouldn’t have been made at all–but I can’t say which without knowing the context. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716/9 "2007-09-11T01:30:05Z")
Are you sure that the reviewer wasn’t questioning whether the parentheses themselves were necessary, rather than the entire sentence? ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716/10 "2007-09-11T02:19:26Z")
[QUOTE=Freddy the Pig] I can’t imagine how we could judge the appropriateness of your aside without context. Was this a factual report, an opinion piece, or a chatty essay about personal experience? And what was the analogy–in other words, _what_ was the same as poor women being addicted to celebrity gossip magazines? Maybe the aside was necessary, or maybe the analogy could have stood on its own, or maybe it shouldn’t have been made at all–but I can’t say which without knowing the context. [/QUOTE] Closer to “a chatty essay about personal experience”. Specifically, the assignment is to define “necessities”, “comforts” and “luxuries”, and how those definitions have changed over time. My particular essay strays a little further into “opinion piece” (which we have license to do). Using a Pew Research Center report which asked the same questions in 1996 and 2006, it establishes that Americans tend to view specific technologies as more necessary as time goes on, and argues that our culture’s definition of “necessity” is too expansive in general. It branches off for a while into some discussion about how television tends to portray a life of material excess as normal, and pays much more attention (in everything from drama to news) to the issues of the rich than to issues of the poor, to the extent that the existence of American poverty is barely acknowledged. The poor watch a lot of TV, and I argue that the way material issues are presented on television can worsen the sense of isolation and dejectedness that comes with being poor in America in the first place. (I do have cites for all that stuff, and I also use my personal experience with poverty and television addiction, which is extensive–to put it mildly.) To give more context: > [@fetus](#): > > Across the board, there was a correlation between high income and more “necessities”. The lowest income bracket (Under $30K) tended to be the least likely to view any item on the list given by the researchers as a necessity, followed by the next income bracket, etc.—up to those earning $100,000+, 94% of whom apparently believe that life could not go on if they didn’t own a clothes washer (sic). The two equally striking exceptions were TV sets—the Under $30,000 set depended on those at a rate of 66%, the highest (although it was a close race)—and flat-screen TVs, which they also maddeningly won out at (with 6%). > These are people who tend to see high-speed Internet access as a luxury (20% found it a “necessity”), even though it can actually improve their job prospects and help them communicate with the world, easing the sense of isolation they may feel. Yet somehow they can’t imagine life without television, and according to the study, they’re slightly more likely than the richest Americans to believe that a flat-screen TV is actually necessary for life. I believe that this highlights the poor’s obsession with the modern caste system: it’s television that most glorifies the high-income lifestyle, and the poor can look on in awe at characters who rent expensive New York apartments, spend their weekends living it up around town and still have the means to wander into a dealership and buy a car on a whim. The poor find this world fascinating; it was when I descended the lowest on the social ladder that I was introduced to a roommate obsessed with Frasier reruns. This was a man who ran a tenement house without a dishwasher or clothes washer. His windows were missing enough individual blinds that passersby could peek in from the street and watch us go about our daily lives. Yet his favorite pastime was soaking up stories about Seattle psychiatrists who have so much money they don’t know what to do with it, even after luxurious downtown condominiums, gourmet kitchens, rooms full of art from around the world, fancy imported cars, maids and high-maintenance girlfriends. > The poor can’t identify with what they see on television, but they’re hypnotized by it, **in much the same way that some poor women are addicted to celebrity gossip magazines. (I’ve never seen that industry make more of a killing than in a minimum-wage break room.)** But the television tells them that nobody else has to live the way they do, that they’re alone in struggling to pay the rent or sustaining themselves on noodles and bread, and that upward mobility is nothing but a distant dream, never to be attained. Sanford and Son may have been the last compelling show to focus on adults of little means sharing a messy house and chasing an American Dream that was destined to evade them forever. Original quote bolded. I’ve actually taken out the entire bolded region in the master copy of the essay, and it’ll stay that way unless I stumble upon a sufficiently convincing link between the two phenomena in my research. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716/11 "2007-09-11T03:04:00Z")
I think your writing is interesting, and the parenthetical statement you included was appropriate because it supports your main point rather than distracting from it. Though I think you should change: > [@](#): > > in much the same way that some poor women are addicted to celebrity gossip magazines. (I’ve never seen that industry make more of a killing than in a minimum-wage break room.) to > [@](#): > > in much the same way that some poor women are addicted to celebrity gossip magazines (I’ve never seen that industry make more of a killing than in a minimum-wage break room.) I’m not an English major, but I think the parenthetical is considered a part of the preceding sentence, not a whole other, separate sentence. This makes the parenthetical much less jarring and less likely to distract. It’s probably the reason the person wrote, ‘‘necessary?’’ My $.02 ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716/12 "2007-09-11T03:59:36Z")
Before I address your original question, I’d like to note a transition that I found a little jarring. It’s the sentence that reads, “The poor find this world fascinating; it was when I descended lowest on the social ladder that I was introduced to a roommate obsessed with Frasier reruns.” At this point you switch from commenting on an academic study to relating personal experience. There’s nothing wrong with that–it’s appropriate for this assignment, and anecdotes and experience can flesh out a skeleton of academic statistics. Be aware, though, that it gives the reader the sense of watching the camera jerk in a movie, and more of a transition might be in order. At a minimum, I’d begin a new paragraph. (Possibly you elided the paragraph breaks when posting; if so ignore this.) Also, I might add a transition sentence: “The poor find this world fascinating, and my own life experience corroborates what I read in the Pew study. It was when I descended . . .” To the analogy–I think it’s a good analogy in this context, and I think you’re right to recognize that it needed a little elaboration. Unadorned it would read like so: > [@](#): > > The poor can’t identify with what they see on television, but they’re hypnotized by it, in much the same way that some poor women are addicted to celebrity gossip magazines. You’re right to feel that this doesn’t stand on its own. The concept that poor women are addicted to gossip magazines isn’t a well known cultural archetype. My likely reaction upon reading that sentence, by itself, would be, “Huh? They are?” The connection to the visual image of gossip magazines strewn around a break room makes it more clear what you’re talking about. _Most_ of us worked at a low-rent job at some point in our lives where we saw that, and even if we haven’t, the image of fan mags in a waiting room or bus station or any sort of public area is ubiquitous enough to illustrate your point. Even though I may not agree that “poor women are addicted to celebrity gossip magazines”–for that I _would_ need a cite–I at least _knew what you were talking about_ when I read the parenthetical comment. **However** , having said that, I think the parenthetical comment could have been better phrased. Your wording is, > [@](#): > > (I’ve never seen that industry make more of a killing than in a minimum-wage break room.) The reference to the industry “making a killing” is distracting and sort of irrelevant and not entirely accurate. They don’t sell the magazines and “make a killing” right there in the break room; it’s just that workers read the magazines there. I think you would have made your point more clearly and simply with, (I never saw more of those magazines than when I worked in a minimum-wage break room.) Well, I guess I’ve written an essay about your essay. Feel free to critique mine in return! ---
**Author:** ![Oregon\_sunshine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/50afbb/32.png) [@Oregon\_sunshine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oregon_sunshine)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716/13 "2007-09-11T04:15:05Z")
Welp, you could start by considering that this group “the poor” which you’re so generous in painting with a homogeneously wide brush, might be made up of actual _people_. As a most-of-my-life impoverished individual, and (except for the X-Files) a television hater, I find your _entire_ essay to be of dubious necessity. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716/14 "2007-09-11T04:56:46Z")
The part that you quoted just seems overy informal/casual to me. Is it really necessary for your argument? If not, I’d take it out. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716/15 "2007-09-11T05:31:42Z")
[QUOTE=Oregon sunshine] Welp, you could start by considering that this group “the poor” which you’re so generous in painting with a homogeneously wide brush, might be made up of actual _people_. As a most-of-my-life impoverished individual, and (except for the X-Files) a television hater, I find your _entire_ essay to be of dubious necessity. [/QUOTE] It’s not like I’ve never been impoverished, myself. Remember the part about how I lived in a tenement house? I paid the lowest rent of just about anyone I know, yet I still regularly raided the couch cushions, my roommate’s car, etc. for dimes and nickels so I could buy enough gas to get to work the next day. My sustenance depended almost entirely on the generosity of others. You can’t tell me _I_ don’t know anything about being poor. However, your point is well taken; I could stand to use narrower wording, and refer to the specific group of people I’m talking about. ETA: Thanks to all of you guys for the input, it really does help. And I swear I didn’t come here for a free proofreader, I just wanted to hear Doper opinions on that parenthetical–but it’s much appreciated nonetheless! ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716/16 "2007-09-11T11:15:50Z")
[QUOTE=fetus] Ah, prescriptivism rears its ugly head once more! Next you’re going to tell me that “their” isn’t acceptable as a singular possessive determiner. [/QUOTE] Sure, I’ll be happy to. And if you want to argue that either of these is okay – argue away. But which of us has been working as a professional editor for more than 15 years, and which of us is taking remedial English? ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unnecessary-essay-appropriateness-question/418716/17 "2007-09-11T15:27:39Z")
Nobody here’s taking remedial English, thankyouverymuch. I’m taking the last of my general ed classes, which I put off for a long time because they were so boring. But your attitude makes it clear that any discussion of English grammar in this thread is going to find its way in the Pit, and I’ve fought enough language battles in there for the year.