# Unregistered bull, how about defecating here instead? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 2, 2005, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673 "2005-09-02T01:49:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/201 "2005-09-03T16:13:20Z")
> [@Unregistered Bull](#): > > It’s easy. He’s going down there to contribute to the waste of resources. Animals aren’t important to the people are out. I’m sorry that you feel that they are more important or as important as the humans. **It doesn’t bode well for your soul.** > [@Genesis](#): > > **20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.** > > **21** And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: **and God saw that it was good.** > > **22 And God blessed them,** saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. > > **23** And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. > > \*\*24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, \*\* cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. > > **25** And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: \*\*and God saw that it was good. \*\* Dear **Unregistered Bull** In worrying about the state of my soul, I think I’ll take my lead from the good Lord’s approval of the animal kingdom as a Good Thing, thanks. And further worrying about the state of my soul, I’m refraining from expressing my thoughts about you. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/202 "2005-09-03T16:14:09Z")
> [@Bippy the Beardless](#): > > If a group of vetinarians with vetinarian drugs exist and are able to get to a site where both humans and animals are in need they cannot do much good for the humans but they can help animals. As long as they don’t obstruct attempts to help humans then they should be welcomed as additional resources helping in a problem area. According to **Unregistered Bull** ’s logic, they hate people and care only about animals. If they cared about people _at all_ they would have been regular doctors, not veterinarians. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/203 "2005-09-03T16:54:13Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > As I wrote above, I find disturbing that it even registers in people’s mind in these circumstances. In some other thread, some poster, for instance, mentionned that the “snowball separated from his young owner” thing was what made him realize what was going on there because he couldn’t relate to footages of people losing everything, lacking food and dying, but could relate to a boy having to leave his dog behind. Honestly, what the fuck??? 😕 . That’s way past my ability to comprehend. I’m a female, thanks. And if you had read my post correctly, you would have noticed that my focus was on the **child** having lost everything he owned, possibly having lost friends and relatives as well, being separated from his dog. And thanks also for not being able to consider another person’s point of view, just like our good friend **Unregistered**. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/204 "2005-09-03T17:02:16Z")
> [@](#): > > 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. That evil bastard! Wasting resources on irrelevant animals!!! ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/205 "2005-09-03T17:08:13Z")
> [@Jeep's Phoenix](#): > > I’m a female, thanks. And if you had read my post correctly, you would have noticed that my focus was on the **child** having lost everything he owned, possibly having lost friends and relatives as well, being separated from his dog. What does it change? In what way him being separated from his dog could change anything after having seen (I assume) hours of footage of children living in dire condition, reports about drowned people, footages of the complete deestruction of a whole area, bodies lying around and so on… That’s a complete mistery for me. > [@](#): > > And thanks also for not being able to consider another person’s point of view, just like our good friend **Unregistered**. You stated that that you couldn’t relate to the people appearing on the footages until a dog was involved. I can’t relate to you. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/206 "2005-09-03T17:11:29Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > You stated that that you couldn’t relate to the people appearing on the footages until a dog was involved. I can’t relate to you. I posted an incident about _an animal_ in a thread about _animal rescue_. Am I now obligated to post about the rest of the news footage in all the other hurricane threads as well? ---
**Author:** ![Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f08c70/32.png) [@Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crowbar_of_Irony_3)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/207 "2005-09-03T17:19:39Z")
I just find it strange why someone feels the need to climb into their Throne of Moral Judgement, passing conclusions and judgements on other people’s conviction. What is more bewildering is the condemnation of good deeds. **Unregistered Bull** here is very pragamatic. People is the only things that matter. So we shall save all people to exclusion of animals. Of course, it would be nice if we could save all, but that’s impossible. But why, **Unregistered Bull** , is anyone going out of his way to pick up a poor drowning kitten or a dying dog be consdered as heinous sinner? It’s not like “Okay, your wife and your dog has fallen into river and you can only save one. Choose!” Of course, _most_ people would want to save the dog _too_. It also depends on the situation. I guess between Osama and poor Fluffy, the choice is pretty clear. Well it’s true that animals shall have a second priority, but can **Unregistered Bull** or anyone else who condemns the saving of animals prove that animals have been saved to the exclusion of humans? Even if so, is that an isolated incident? Can we safely say that actually, more humans are being saved than animals? Is there any reliable figure that the fundings and help for saving of human is being compromised because some people chose to contribute to animal humane societies? Ask any of the Dopers with cats and dogs and other assorted non-human kins within their family. To you, they are just animals. To them, they are heartbroken when they are lost. It’s not just losing an animal. It like losing a close friend. Things can be seemed from a variety of perceptive. I think animals have their place in society, and how we treat them reflects something about us. If I am picked up by a stranger, out from a disaster area, and passed by a dog with a broken leg, I would want to the driver to pick up the dog. If the stranger says thing alone the line of “The seat shall be reserved for the next living human being. It’s a waste of resource to pick up the dog, to take up space that would otherwise be filled with a living human being.” I rather get out and be with the dog, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/208 "2005-09-03T17:32:15Z")
I think we have a celebrity on the SDMB. Ted Nugent. Based on other posts on the SDMB, **UB** has an almost unhealthy obsession with his [distaste of animal rights](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6046171#post6046171) of any sort. We can pit him all we want, but based on his beliefs (generally anti-animal rights, [anti-liberal](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5078354#post5078354), anti-anything to the left of Ann Coulter), we’re not going to change his mind. He’s a professional [far-right-wing](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5562010#post5562010), anti-anything but far right-wing-arsenal-owning-Repubican-human troll. It’s okay to use chickens as live footballs. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5095326#post5095326](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5095326#post5095326) Blowing up a rabbit isn’t animal cruelty. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5129414#post5129414](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5129414#post5129414) All those supporting animal rights are part of a “lunatic fringe.” [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5146641#post5146641](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5146641#post5146641) Internet hunting is just fine, although probably not that much fun. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5539082#post5539082](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5539082#post5539082) Fights between dogs and hogs? “Perfectly normal sporting uses of animals.” [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5635409#post5635409](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5635409#post5635409) Dislikes those supporting animal rights more than criminals; “trully mentally derranged and an absolute cancer on world society”. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5591848#post5591848](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5591848#post5591848) Animals have absolutely no right to be alive. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5588168#post5588168](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5588168#post5588168) Those who don’t like hunting “are bigoted haters who can’t stand a certain people who are culturally diferent than them” [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5852997#post5852997](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5852997#post5852997) FWIW, I have no problem with most hunting, even though support animal rights. Animal fighting by certain groups in the US is a valid way of expressing one’s cultural identity. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5647515#post5647515](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5647515#post5647515) Oh yeah, if you have a problem with animal abuse as a cultural practice, you’re a racist. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6046171#post6046171](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6046171#post6046171) Barking dogs at the pound should be killed. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5946243#post5946243](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5946243#post5946243) If you have second thoughts about putting down a dog, you’re a pussy. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5938017#post5938017](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5938017#post5938017) Vivisection of a live dog? Cool. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6168594#post6168594](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6168594#post6168594) That’s par for the course from someone who thinks the SDMB is [“full of extreme far left wing idots” (sic)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5519380). In his favor, some of his posts express anger towards irresponsible and inconsiderate pet ownership; mainly those who let their animals roam free. He also posted an effective [deskunking formula](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6086197#post6086197). ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/209 "2005-09-03T17:35:02Z")
I hereby make a vow(all you Dopers are my witnesses), that if I can win the lottery tonight I will make a donation of $100(maybe _more_ would be better?) each time **Unregistered Bullshit** makes one of their hateful posts. I’d still have plenty left over for people-related charities, and I’d create a real dilemma for **UB**. “Hmmm, do I post one of my smug, holier than thou, screeds, and thereby have someone waste resources on animals? Or do I shut my stupid mouth and fume privately? Decisions, decisions!” Of course it’s a 1 in 146,107,962 chance I’ll have to follow through though! 😃 But if I do, drinks are on me tonight! Admission to the party will be a big bag of dog or catfood! 5-11-20-28-29 (32) C’mon, baby, doggie needs a new flea collar! ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/210 "2005-09-03T17:37:03Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > That’s a complete mistery for me. Why is it a mystery? When someone looses something they love, it’s a loss. When it’s a life that you are responsible for, it makes it much, much worse. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/211 "2005-09-03T17:38:42Z")
:smack: 'Course I meant to say that the promised donations would go to animal related charities! ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/212 "2005-09-03T17:51:05Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > :smack: 'Course I meant to say that the promised donations would go to animal related charities! I would think that he already donates to [certain animal-related organizations](http://www.pitmaster.com/ugba/). 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/213 "2005-09-03T18:07:13Z")
> [@elmwood](#): > > I would think that he already donates to [certain animal-related organizations](http://www.pitmaster.com/ugba/). 😃 No, you misunderstood–I didn’t say **Unregistered Bull** was a cock_fight_er… ---
**Author:** ![sj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@sj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sj2)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/214 "2005-09-03T18:45:24Z")
I’m very surprised that UB has not been warned, suspended or banned for his behavior in the linked threads. It seems he is always just an ass hair away from “getting the business” and then turns tail and craps all over another thread. In this one, he admits to shitting on the other thread, but doesn’t apologize…that is utter crap IMO. UB seems to get in over his head, leaving his greatest retort a re-hash of his first post…with more profanity. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/215 "2005-09-03T19:01:47Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > What does it change? In what way him being separated from his dog could change anything after having seen (I assume) hours of footage of children living in dire condition, reports about drowned people, footages of the complete deestruction of a whole area, bodies lying around and so on… That’s a complete mistery for me. To that boy, it would have made all the difference in the world to be able to keep his dog. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/216 "2005-09-03T19:19:09Z")
> [@UB](#): > > Sure I shouldn’t have shit on the threads where people were expressing more compassion for animals than that of humans. Where, in any of this train wreck are people expressing more compassion for animals than humans? Show us that. … You can’t, because it isn’t there. You shat on people that are doing the best they can to help in the best way they can. ---
**Author:** ![SlyFrog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a3d4f5/32.png) [@SlyFrog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlyFrog)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/217 "2005-09-03T19:35:19Z")
> [@laina\_f](#): > > I’m curious to know why a person with such an obsessive hatred of animals chose a user name with an animal in it. First, in direct response to the above, you are creating his “obsessive hatred of animals.” At most, I think he has shown an obsessive hatred of people who believe that animals have a certain level of inviolate rights, in particular when compared with humans. It is apparently very difficult for most people here to understand or agree to, but it is quite possible to hold the position that **Unregistered Bull** holds and not have any “hatred” of animals. Second, tothe repeated posters responding with, “Oh yeah, well what have you done.” That is completely irrelevant to determining whether the decisions of one particular person were correct or not. So if we are debating whether the analysis is correct, what Unregistered Bull or anyone else has done other than the actor at question has no bearing. Otherwise, I hope we do not start analyzing actions based on the question of, “Okay, but have you done better?” ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/218 "2005-09-03T19:36:31Z")
> [@Unregistered Bull](#): > > I don’t know that you’ve noticed. But we have a huge natural disaster that has killed thousands of PEOPLE that has displaced more than a million PEOPLE from homes and jobs in the US. It’s hard to feel sorry for animals in this case. Nonsense. There is absolutely no limit to the number or type of living creatures we can have sympathy for. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/219 "2005-09-03T19:52:32Z")
> [@SlyFrog](#): > > First, in direct response to the above, you are creating his “obsessive hatred of animals.” At most, I think he has shown an obsessive hatred of people who believe that animals have a certain level of inviolate rights, in particular when compared with humans. It is apparently very difficult for most people here to understand or agree to, but it is quite possible to hold the position that **Unregistered Bull** holds and not have any “hatred” of animals. I agree with the last clause above: it’s possible to oppose animal rights and not hate animals. Hell, it’s possible to espouse animal rights and not love animals–Peter Singer doesn’t have pets because he doesn’t particularly like them. However, Bull isn’t showing an obsessive hatred of folks who believe that animals have a certain level of inviolate rights: he’s repeatedly lying about people’s positions in order to pretend that they’re animal rights advocates, and then hating them. Repeatedly, anyone who expresses any **compassion** for animals bears the brunt of his contempt, regardless of whether they’ve expressed any **belief in the rights of** animals. Do you see the difference? If he was expressing contempt for animal rights advocates , he’d just be a garden-variety partisan schmuck. It’s his contempt for anyone who mentions the word “dog” in a context other than “I shot one on my farm” that makes him so special. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/220 "2005-09-03T19:59:53Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > However, Bull isn’t showing an obsessive hatred of folks who believe that animals have a certain level of inviolate rights: he’s repeatedly lying about people’s positions in order to pretend that they’re animal rights advocates, and then hating them. Repeatedly, anyone who expresses any **compassion** for animals bears the brunt of his contempt, regardless of whether they’ve expressed any **belief in the rights of** animals. > Daniel Exactly. I think the concept of animal rights is stupid. However, I love my dog, and am on record as saying that under certain circimstances I would value the life of my dog over the life of a human. (Depends on the human, of course.) Needless to say, I think **UB** is an ass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673.md?page=12)