# Unregistered bull, how about defecating here instead? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 2, 2005, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673 "2005-09-02T01:49:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/221 "2005-09-03T20:31:41Z")
> [@davenportavenger](#): > > I would have. Unless it’s a severe psychiatric emergency, we don’t need any people down there playing therapist. That can come later, when people aren’t up to their chins in water. Excuse me, how is this not a “severe psychiatric emergency?” You do realize there has been at least one suicide at the Superdome already, right? These are people who have lost everything they had-it’s possible there are people down there without the psychiatric medicine they need, people undergoing a severely traumatic experience. After they’re rescued and stabilized, they sure as hell will need someone “playing therapist.” (Nice phrase, btw) :rolleyes: Again, I ask **Unregistered Bull** , what about service animals? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/222 "2005-09-03T21:38:00Z")
[Therapy Dogs](http://www.therapydogs.com/) [Therapy Dogs International](http://www.tdi-dog.org/)They need [Dogs Helping People](http://www.nhm.org/exhibitions/dogs/atd/therapy.html) Just a few. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/223 "2005-09-03T22:02:57Z")
> [@elmwood](#): > > I think we have a celebrity on the SDMB. > > Ted Nugent. I’m flattered. 🙂 But I’m not him. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/224 "2005-09-03T22:13:03Z")
> [@SlyFrog](#): > > First, in direct response to the above, you are creating his “obsessive hatred of animals.” At most, I think he has shown an obsessive hatred of people who believe that animals have a certain level of inviolate rights, in particular when compared with humans. It is apparently very difficult for most people here to understand or agree to, but it is quite possible to hold the position that **Unregistered Bull** holds and not have any “hatred” of animals. That’s a pretty spot on observation. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/225 "2005-09-03T22:17:11Z")
> [@Unregistered Bull](#): > > I’m flattered. 🙂 But I’m not him. You’re damn right you’re not. He would’nt put people down for trying to help. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/226 "2005-09-03T22:24:29Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Repeatedly, anyone who expresses any **compassion** for animals bears the brunt of his contempt, regardless of whether they’ve expressed any **belief in the rights of** animals. I hold opinions like this and share them: If your experiencing a moral crisis about some stray dog pissing on your porch that you don’t want to keep but can’t find a no-kill shelter (in a world with a pet explosion), do I think you are daft. Yes. If you have multiple cats that aren’t working out for various family reasons, then get rid of them. Animal control is the easiest way. Someone kills your cat after it’s been harassing songbirds on your property. Well tough shit. Don’t let your cat out. Going after the lady legally is a chickenshit thing to do. Those really aren’t that wild of opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/227 "2005-09-03T22:25:46Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > You’re damn right you’re not. > > He would’nt put people down for trying to help. I’m pretty sure that Ted wouldn’t have a high opinion of people wasting resources at this time for animals when humans are in need of those resources. Just a guess. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/228 "2005-09-03T22:25:47Z")
> [@Unregistered Bull](#): > > Those really aren’t that wild of opinions. Never said they were. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/229 "2005-09-03T22:29:31Z")
> [@Unregistered Bull](#): > > I hold opinions like this and share them: > > If your experiencing a moral crisis about some stray dog pissing on your porch that you don’t want to keep but can’t find a no-kill shelter (in a world with a pet explosion), do I think you are daft. Yes. > > If you have multiple cats that aren’t working out for various family reasons, then get rid of them. Animal control is the easiest way. > > Someone kills your cat after it’s been harassing songbirds on your property. Well tough shit. Don’t let your cat out. Going after the lady legally is a chickenshit thing to do. > > Those really aren’t that wild of opinions. No, your opinions are entirely reasonable. The way you react to anyone who disagrees with you, in any degree, is what’s unreasonable about you. ---
**Author:** ![ioioio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ioioio/32/316_2.png) [@ioioio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ioioio)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/230 "2005-09-03T22:29:54Z")
> [@SlyFrog](#): > > First, in direct response to [laina\_f post], you are creating his “obsessive hatred of animals.” At most, I think he has shown an obsessive hatred of people who believe that animals have a certain level of inviolate rights, in particular when compared with humans. It is apparently very difficult for most people here to understand or agree to, but it is quite possible to hold the position that **Unregistered Bull** holds and not have any “hatred” of animals. I stand corrected, but I’m confused. **UB** has a hatred of people who are choosing to do something to help non-human animals; he has called us, among other things, evil and vile. I assume that, like me, **UB** thinks that the world would be a better place if there were less evil and vileness in it. Then we have non-human animals, which you are proposing **UB** does not hate as much as he hates humans who want to help them. So, among the humans needing help in N.O. there are undoubtedly some who are trying to help animals or would like to see them helped. Wouldn’t it make more sense to rescue the animals (who are less vile and evil than the humans who want to rescue them) than to rescue the vile and evil humans who would like to see the animals rescued? ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/231 "2005-09-03T22:30:52Z")
> [@ExtraKun](#): > > If I am picked up by a stranger, out from a disaster area, and passed by a dog with a broken leg, I would want to the driver to pick up the dog. If the stranger says thing alone the line of “The seat shall be reserved for the next living human being. It’s a waste of resource to pick up the dog, to take up space that would otherwise be filled with a living human being.” > > I rather get out and be with the dog, thank you. Weird. Very weird. But let’s turn that around, you are walking out the disaster with a dog with a broken leg. You come across child with a broken leg. Do you leave the dog and carry the child out? Or, do you leave the child behind and continue carrying the dog out? ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/232 "2005-09-03T22:33:29Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > No, your opinions are entirely reasonable. The way you react to anyone who disagrees with you, in any degree, is what’s unreasonable about you. That is pretty much only when someone is suggesting putting animals on higher or equal value as humans. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/233 "2005-09-03T22:34:32Z")
> [@Dung Beetle](#): > > To that boy, it would have made all the difference in the world to be able to keep his dog. Of course, it would have. Which doesn’t mean that he should have kept it if there was any reason not to do so (I assume that the people in charge didn’t do that just for the sake of being mean). What I was stating is that I can’t understand how someone could not relate to all the misery shown to us, but suddenly could when a dog appear on screen. It’s not like there was a lack of heartbreaking footages, even of children. The “what difference does it make” didn’t refer to the kid’s feelings, but to the person watching the scene’s feelings. ---
**Author:** ![MaddyStrut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dbc845/32.png) [@MaddyStrut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaddyStrut)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/234 "2005-09-03T22:39:47Z")
> [@Unregistered Bull](#): > > Weird. Very weird. But let’s turn that around, you are walking out the disaster with a dog with a broken leg. You come across child with a broken leg. Do you leave the dog and carry the child out? Or, do you leave the child behind and continue carrying the dog out? Oh for crying out loud! I don’t think anyone here is arguing you should take the damned dog. Heck, I’d take even the obnoxious, bratty neighbor kid over my own dogs. But no one here is making that choice. How about this: You have a small van. You aren’t trained to deal with human storm victims. You can’t house or support human victims. You’re not even allowed into the effected area to get to the human victims. However, you can get to surrounding areas that have already been evacuated and remove some animals from unstaffed or overloaded shelters. In doing so, you can also bring supplies for humans and drop them off at a staging area or human shelter. Why would taking some animals back with you in your van mean you value animal life more than human? How is it wasting taxpayer dollars if you are a private citizen? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/235 "2005-09-03T22:41:46Z")
> [@ExtraKun](#): > > If I am picked up by a stranger, out from a disaster area, and passed by a dog with a broken leg, I would want to the driver to pick up the dog. If the stranger says thing alone the line of “The seat shall be reserved for the next living human being. It’s a waste of resource to pick up the dog, to take up space that would otherwise be filled with a living human being.” > > I rather get out and be with the dog, thank you. Besides the fact that you probably don’t actually know what you would do in a dire situation, I must ask : Why, pray tell? Wouldn’t this man statement be very sensible? You’d rather him say : “You’re right, let’s pick the dog, and the next human being can go fuck himself?”. “And by the way, there’s another dog over there, please go out so that I can rescue it too?” This just doesn’t make sense. Of course, the seat should be reserved to the next human being. How can one states otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/236 "2005-09-03T22:42:47Z")
> [@Unregistered Bull](#): > > That is pretty much only when someone is suggesting putting animals on higher or equal value as humans. See, this is where your problem is: you’re not actually smart enough to make that distinction, because in not one of your outbursts on this subject, has anyone suggested anything like that. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/237 "2005-09-03T22:44:00Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > What I was stating is that I can’t understand how someone could not relate to all the misery shown to us, but suddenly could when a dog appear on screen. It’s not like there was a lack of heartbreaking footages, even of children. The “what difference does it make” didn’t refer to the kid’s feelings, but to the person watching the scene’s feelings. **I never commented about my feelings towards other footage because the thread I posted in was only about animals.** ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/238 "2005-09-03T22:45:45Z")
> [@Unregisterd Bull](#): > > I’m pretty sure that Ted wouldn’t have a high opinion of people wasting resources at this time for animals when humans are in need of those resources. Just a guess. What resources are being wasted? PF’s husband is taking food, water, clothes, and other emergency supplies to an area that needs them. He is volunteering to do this. He has the ability to bring back some animals and put them in a shelter. That’s it. Is it a waste of resources for him to take supplies down? And on the return trip, remove pressure from animal control? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/239 "2005-09-03T22:47:03Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Besides the fact that you probably don’t actually know what you would do in a dire situation, I must ask : > > Why, pray tell? Wouldn’t this man statement be very sensible? You’d rather him say : “You’re right, let’s pick the dog, and the next human being can go fuck himself?”. “And by the way, there’s another dog over there, please go out so that I can rescue it too?” > This just doesn’t make sense. Of course, the seat should be reserved to the next human being. How can one states otherwise? Sure, it should be reserved for the next human. But what if you don’t meet another human who needs help for the rest of the drive? Pick up the dog, take it as far as you can, if the space becomes needed for a human, _then_ you can kick the dog out. There’s no doubt in my mind that, if **PinkFreud** ’s husband found himself in a position to help more humans with his van, he would. There’s a very good chance, however, that that’s simply not feasible, given the conditions in NO. So, instead, he’s helping some animals. Nothin’ wrong with that at all. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673/240 "2005-09-03T22:50:29Z")
> [@UB](#): > > That is pretty much only when someone is suggesting putting animals on higher or equal value as humans. Tell me. Where have we said that. Again I ask. You stupid shit. You attack someone that is trying to help. And this is the best you have in rebuttle? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unregistered-bull-how-about-defecating-here-instead/319673.md?page=13)