I’m not sure what the OG has to do with Panama incorrectly being awarded a goal?
My point was that you shouldn’t be counting on an overturn in another game when you can’t even execute in your own game. The US controlled its own destiny and completely blew it to the point of an own goal being the difference between tying and losing. The USMNT does not deserve to go in and they definitely don’t deserve it on review after the fact.
I’m never very sympathetic when people complain about a bad call or bad decision being responsible for their team’s failure. If a bad call can make the difference, it was a pretty close thing to begin with. If you have a better team, you should win decisively enough so a bad call can’t be the determining factor.
The call wasn’t just bad it was horrifically bad. Like the ref was on the take sort of bad.
I’d say that there’s no excuse for that own goal. Why Gonzales was on the field over someone like Cameron, I’ll never know. He whiffed on a crucial tackle against Honduras, is slow to get back after set pieces, and shanked a routine cross into his own goal.
To be fair, Cameron’s last start was a nightmare. However, it was his only really poor game that I can remember. Gonzalez is bad at least half the time.
Sorry I’m late, guys, the conversation seems to have died down.
You were saying?
Eh? They’ve scraped a qualification, they haven’t won a major championship. A single game doesn’t change the main point.
No one would ever say he isn’t a brilliant player, nor that he doesn’t have great games for Argentina but the real measure by which he’ll be judged is by performances in the major championships and actually winning a trophy for his country.
Aside from the Olympic gold he won, you mean.
Olympics is a youth tournament.
The indictments of Messi’s play for Argentina are almost entirely false, and the idea that you need to win a championship in a team sport in single elimination tournaments that are held every 4 years, is ridiculous. The idea that Ronaldo is GOAT because they advanced in the Euros on goal differential after failing to beat any of Iceland, Hungary, and Austria. Then they only beat one good team in the rest of the tournament, in a game Ronaldo didn’t play in! Well, I disagree.
In fairness, the call was only bad in the sense that the officials shouldn’t have awarded the goal on the assumption it must have crossed the line. The assistant referee’s view would have been blocked by the bodies that were around the ball. The referee can’t have seen the ball over the line (it wasn’t), but may well thought it must have been because a) it looked like it was going over and b) he couldn’t see from where he was that it hadn’t actually gone over. But, as I reminded myself often when refereeing, I can’t award a goal I haven’t actually seen.
Too bad CONCACAF hasn’t adopted goal-line technology. <sigh>
As you are free to do. At the moment he stands with all the other great players that didn’t win a major trophy with their national team (lots of great names in there…Cruyff, Eusebio, Puskas, Best) Rather than alongside those that have. Regardless of his technical ability (which is astonishing) he has a gap in his trophy cabinet and that matters, not least to him.
They would have failed to advance had it not been for CR7. He scored 3 goals and 3 assists. The goals against Hungary helped them advance. He also scored in the Semi Final and assisted in Nani’s second. Against a very good Croat team which beat Spain and which had Rakatic and Modrić in it it was he who opened up the defense and setup Quaresma’s winner.
I agree with the above poster, Messi would give his right nut to win an International trophy.
In the unlikely event the final is between Portugal and Argentina, will it be a match to decide the greatest of all time.
The result of a game that Ronaldo didn’t play in means he’s the GOAT? That’s the argument?
Had Higuain finished that 1v1, Argentina would have won. So something that Messi wasn’t involved in would have made him better?
Both of those assertions are ridiculous.
Now, if you’re merely arguing that people will rank them (incorrectly) according to that, you might be correct. That just means most people have pretty shallow viewpoints.
Might as well argue Trent Dilfer was a better QB than Dan Marino.