# Untruthful Accusations **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 1, 2002, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724 "2002-12-01T02:51:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2002, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/201 "2002-12-07T23:22:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Duck Duck Goose \* > \*\*I want everyone to go write this down somewhere. > You may not have noticed, His4Ever, but at any given moment half of us aren’t speaking to the other half. And the half that are not speaking to the other half are not necessarily speaking to each other. > > I surmise that by “clique” what you really mean is, “All the people on the SDMB who disagree with me.” I suppose you haven’t noticed that half the people who disagree with you also disagree with _each other_, sometimes to the point of Pit threads and a lot of ugly name-calling, on other equally vital issues, such as gun control, SUVs, abortion, politics, etc. And thus, they do not form a cohesive “SDMB clique”. \*\* Notice how DDG posted it as a quote so when you quote the message, it disapears…Coincidence?..I think not. ---
**Author:** ![Thylacine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thylacine/32/1143_2.png) [@Thylacine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thylacine)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2002, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/202 "2002-12-07T23:33:54Z")
I know that **punha** , I wish it wasn’t so but I do know that. I can’t let her go though, I look on posting to her as a very bad habit that unlike smoking isn’t taking my breath away with each taste so it can’t really be all that bad for me 😉 ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/203 "2002-12-08T02:46:23Z")
I wonder if **H4e** has ever been demonized (outside of this MB, I mean. I don’t think she honestly cares enough about this place for it to affect her that much) in person. Like, have someone walk up to her and tell her, in the most sincere way possible, that she’s going to hell for what she is or for what she believes or what she’s done or hasn’t done or anything like that. I wonder if she’s ever been physically attacked for an aspect of herself (like sexuality, for example) that was as much fact as “1+1=2”. **His4ever** , you have read the MPSIMS “What is gaybashing like?” thread, yes or no? If not, I think it might enlighten you as to what some of us who aren’t straight (or even are) have endured for differences, perceived or actual, from heterosexuality. I’m not going to get into examples because everyone ought to read that thread at least once. [What is gaybashing like?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=135183) And the more recent [WTF?!! Gays - do you go through this much?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=148675) ---
**Author:** ![Nightime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Nightime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightime)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/204 "2002-12-08T05:09:24Z")
His4Ever has every right to follow the path she has chosen. Apparently she has decided that there is only one way into heaven. Is it to follow the laws enumerated in the bible? No, it is fine to disobey these laws, as long as you pretend to be sorry. The pretense can even be exposed by the fact that you continue to engage in the very behavior for which you say you are sorry. It doesn’t matter, because in your own case you can see that it would be cruel and unusual punishment to follow the exact letter of the law. Clearly God did not want _you_ to live a life of misery! No, it is clear that the only way into heaven is to balance out your own decision that following the exact words of the bible is not what God wants for you with a cold, unfeeling denouncement of all those who would do the same. To the same extent which you decide that you are allowed to interpret the meaning of God’s words, you must deny others that right. To the same extent which you disobey the exact wording in the bible, you must hate and vilify others who do not obey that exact wording. You believe that God’s love would allow you to disobey a minor law, if doing so is essential to your life and happiness. Because of this, you must be adamant in your belief that nobody else can be allowed to follow God’s love over any part of the bible, no matter how minor or vague. Really, His4Ever seems to be starting her own religion. The only way to heaven is not by Jesus, but by His4ever herself. Only His4ever is allowed to be made pure by God’s love. Only for His4ever can God’s love override even the most minor and vague word in the bible. Nobody else has any direct relationship to God. They have to go through His4ever, his intermediary. She will decide who is allowed to feel God’s love and be changed by it. I only have one question. How exactly does God feel about His4ever taking up this role as the one intermediary? I certainly hope she is not taking such an important role without His express approval. ---
**Author:** ![keturah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e95f7d/32.png) [@keturah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keturah)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/205 "2002-12-08T06:38:30Z")
His– You believe that God created us all in his image, correct? Unfortunatly you have translated this into God only saves those who fit my image. According to scripture, we are all people of god. I believe that god only gives people what they can handle. I believe that the people you harangue are stronger than you are because they can handle your bigotry, They have cited scripture as you have, however they do not comdemn. My question to you is-Where does that leave you? ---
**Author:** ![keturah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e95f7d/32.png) [@keturah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keturah)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/206 "2002-12-08T06:45:48Z")
Aww, hell–I meant that His thinks that God only saves those who fit HER image…Only God knows how he feels about me. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/207 "2002-12-08T07:02:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dr. Lao \* > \*\*I doubt it, but only because I think there isn’t anyone out there that wants to be known for the rest of his life as the sponser of the cock-sucking amendment. \*\* I would just like to say I am prepared to enter politics this very minute soley in the hopes of one day being known as the sponsor of the cock-sucking amendment. (Dare we ask His4ever’s opinion of Bowers v. Hardwick?) ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/208 "2002-12-08T07:20:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by betenoir \* > \*\*(Dare we ask His4ever’s opinion of Bowers v. Hardwick?) \*\* Go ahead and ask. I don’t think she’ll answer. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/209 "2002-12-08T07:49:37Z")
His4Ever, thanks for addressing my comments. Yes, we can agree to disagree and do it in a loving way. If I were in your shoes, I would be hurt and angry. (I’m a little sensitive sometimes.) And it is painfully obvious that other people who have read your words feel hurt also. I think a lot of it is the language that you use. It “gives away” your feelings( see my comment to grienspace below) even when you say that you love us. Have you ever learned the difference is **assertive** language and \*\* aggressive\*\* language? I think that you would like to be assertive, but you are coming across as aggressive. Would you like a link that might help you to talk about your beliefs in a way that doesn’t put people off quite so much? It’s a way to be more loving and still express your beliefs. I would be happy to find a website (non-religious) that explains the difference. Or, if you prefer, you can just do a search of “assertive language” “aggressive language” and that may do the trick. If not, substitute the word “behavior” for “language.” grienspace said: [quote] Would that we could all act like Jesus.\*\* Jesus would never say, “Can’t you get that through your heads?” Peace! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/210 "2002-12-08T14:59:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Nightime \* > Really, His4Ever seems to be starting her own religion. The only way to heaven is not by Jesus, but by His4ever herself. Why does that remind me of the poster I refer to as F[sub]ourth[/sub]O[sub]f[/sub]G[sub]od[/sub]? ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/211 "2002-12-08T16:08:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > **I wonder if H4e has ever been demonized (outside of this MB, I mean. I don’t think she honestly cares enough about this place for it to affect her that much) in person. Like, have someone walk up to her and tell her, in the most sincere way possible, that she’s going to hell for what she is or for what she believes or what she’s done or hasn’t done or anything like that. I wonder if she’s ever been physically attacked for an aspect of herself (like sexuality, for example) that was as much fact as “1+1=2”.** I’m beginning to think that she has. Somewhat like cycles of abuse and violence in families - where seriously fucked up, abusive behaviors are all some kids see and so they mislabel that shit as the way families are supposed to act , and then revisit the horrors on their own kids later. At times, it looks very much like someone has pulled this exact same kind of “love” bit on **H4e** - and for whatever reason, instead of knowing it and calling it as the utter pile of hateful shit that it was, she believed them. And now instead of knowing how people are supposed to act when they “love their neighbor” and “love one another,” she has this twisted, sick pattern there instead that she repeats. I’m beginning to think that she is showing the type of “love” that she’s been shown. Which is sad. Not an excuse for her behavior, but still sad. ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/212 "2002-12-08T18:15:50Z")
**Zoe** : On the contrary. Reading the NT, there are a few places where Jesus basically slaps the apostles upside the head and says, “Hello! How often do I have to tell you things before you hear me?” No cites, though. My NT is packed away somewhere, probably in the Closet of No Return. ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/213 "2002-12-08T18:21:20Z")
But you will notice, **SisterCoyote** , that when Jesus gets upset with people in the bible it is always with the legalistic interpretation of biblical law that concentrates so hard on the minutia that it misses the message. I can think of a few Christians who have the exact same failings as those who Jesus got pissed off at. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/214 "2002-12-08T18:38:50Z")
Wouldn’t it be nice if, when people started Pit threads regarding lies they believed had been told about them, they bothered to stick around and defend themselves? ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/215 "2002-12-08T19:47:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Nightime \* > \*\* > > Really, His4Ever seems to be starting her own religion. The only way to heaven is not by Jesus, but by His4ever herself. Only His4ever is allowed to be made pure by God’s love. Only for His4ever can God’s love override even the most minor and vague word in the bible. > \*\* Mr. **Nightime** , that statement is totally uncalled or and utter nonsens. I am not the way to heaven, Jesus is. Statements like that prove your misunderstanding of me. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/216 "2002-12-08T19:49:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\*Wouldn’t it be nice if, when people started Pit threads regarding lies they believed had been told about them, they bothered to stick around and defend themselves? \*\* What’s the point, you don’t listen to anything I say? Or always find some fault with it, or twist it around and wind up saying that I said something I didn’t. You’re always right and I’m always wrong, what else is new? ---
**Author:** ![Cardinal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal/32/4000_2.png) [@Cardinal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardinal)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/217 "2002-12-08T19:54:15Z")
**His4ever** , I’d email you, but your profile doesn’t have an address. This is not an attack, but just some advice from the same side of the fence: read 1 Cor. 2:14 and think about the implications of that for a while. Because of this point, I never get involved in the religious arguments around here any more. Have you EVER known someone to be argued into a spiritual belief? My email is in my profile. Feel free to use it. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/218 "2002-12-08T19:55:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Miller \* > \*\*Well, if it turns out that Mohammed is the only way to heaven, you’re pretty much screwed, aren’t you? \*\* Muhammad didn’t die for my sins, Jesus did. Muhammad didn’t rise again the third day, he’s still dead and in his tomb. Jesus tomb is empy proving He is the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Cardinal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal/32/4000_2.png) [@Cardinal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardinal)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/219 "2002-12-08T20:00:59Z")
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Just stop. Please, stop. Don’t get into this. This was exactly my point. You’re rubbing yourself with lamb chops while poking the lion in the eye with a sharp stick, and telling yourself that if you do it enough, it will realized that it has glaucoma and seek treatment. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Lao](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Dr.Lao](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Lao)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2002, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/220 "2002-12-08T20:03:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*Muhammad didn’t die for my sins, Jesus did. Muhammad didn’t rise again the third day, he’s still dead and in his tomb. Jesus tomb is empy proving He is the truth. \*\* The point is that Jesus didn’t do any of those things if Mohammed is the only prophet to the one true God, Allah. So, you’re still screwed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724.md?page=12)