# Untruthful Accusations **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 1, 2002, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724 "2002-12-01T02:51:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/121 "2002-12-02T14:57:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > \*\*Maybe, maybe not. While we’ve never banned a single poster because of their religion, we _have_ banned countless people who behaved like assholes. > > You, **His4ever** , can avoid falling into that last category by a simple behavioural change: _stop telling people that the way they live their lives is wrong_. As you’ve stated many times yourself, it is NOT your place to judge. > > So don’t. \*\* I cannot interpret this any way except “stop disagreeing with us or you will be banned”. And this in the context of at least one other thread, mentioning her by name, that says specifically that her divorces are immoral, and in the middle of a thread where practically every post tells her to change. **Kirkland1244** has been banned, **Hastur** has been warned, **Sterra** posts “…you’re a horrible person”, but **His4ever** is the one being blamed for it all. :rolleyes: Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/122 "2002-12-02T15:01:44Z")
Seriously, though, His4Ever, do you live in Arizona and have a son named Adam? (inside joke for those who remember ARG) ---
**Author:** ![Sterra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8c91f0/32.png) [@Sterra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterra)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/123 "2002-12-02T15:36:44Z")
> [@](#): > > **Sterra** posts “…you’re a horrible person”, Why do you attack me for this? I clearly said I meant no offense by it. If you are just going to attack me I am going to leave this board.\* \*That is what you call a parody. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/124 "2002-12-02T15:46:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > \*\ ***Kirkland1244** has been banned, **Hastur** has been warned, **Sterra** posts “…you’re a horrible person”, but **His4ever** is the one being blamed for it all. \*\* How is she getting blamed for it all? You said yourself, Kirkland was banned. She is not. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/125 "2002-12-02T15:55:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NaSultainne \* > \*\*\*\* I eventually took a four month break from the board to get my thoughts in line, \*\* What exactly do you mean by “getting your thoughts in line?” Does that mean you changed so you could agree with everybody?😕 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/126 "2002-12-02T15:59:42Z")
Mercy. Why on earth would it mean that? ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/127 "2002-12-02T16:00:08Z")
Also, what do you mean by sending me to a website so I can “grow”? Do you mean by that that it’ll supposedy help me change my beliefs on certain things to be more in line with the majority on the SDMB? I’m afraid if your idea of growth is to abandon what I believe to be truth in order to fit in, I can’t do that. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/128 "2002-12-02T16:10:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sterra \* > \*_Why do you attack me for this? I clearly said I meant no offense by it. If you are just going to attack me I am going to leave this board._ > > \*That is what you call a parody. \*\* **His4ever** has never called anyone on the board a horrible person. She has stated that she thinks that homosexuality is a sin. It doesn’t seem to be possible for her to post without being attacked. If she starts a thread in a different forum, it gets moved to the Pit so the usual suspects can start flaming. As I mentioned in the “God forbid we should teach our children” thread, it doesn’t seem possible for some people to distinguish between “I disagree with you” and “you are a bad person”. Would that it were. Less heat, but more light. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/129 "2002-12-02T16:11:26Z")
And if I cannot change my beliefs about divorce and remarriage, does that mean I should come into every thread you post in and tell you that you are living a sinful lifestyle? That _is_ what you do to homosexuals. Are you prepared to be judged as you have judged? CJ ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/130 "2002-12-02T16:18:55Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m afraid if your idea of growth is to abandon what I believe to be truth in order to fit in, I can’t do that. Sorry. Nobody’s asking you to abandon your beliefs; we would like you to state your beleifs in a less coonfrontational way. While you have an interpretation of Scripture that you believe to be true, you refuse to acknowledge that other people have views of Scripture that they beleive to be equally valid. Since you are not God, you do not have the final say on which view is correct. Hold on to your view by all means, but allow others to have theirs too. Moreover, lay off the judgement and increase the charity, which is, as I see it, the main thrust of Scripture. (Did you note how I worded that last sentence–“Moreover, lay off the judgement and increase the charity, which is, **as I see it** , the main thrust of Scripture.” If you include phrases like, “as I see it,” in my opinion", from my point of view." If you do that, then your posts won’t come off as the unquestioned pronouncements from God’s Voice on Earth.) You’re not God, you don’t know His will (nobody does, for no human can comprehend the total Mind of God), and so your posts should sound less oracular. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/131 "2002-12-02T16:23:06Z")
His4Ever The problem with your beliefs is that you believe with your brain, but not with your heart. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/132 "2002-12-02T16:30:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cjhoworth \* > \*\*And if I cannot change my beliefs about divorce and remarriage, does that mean I should come into every thread you post in and tell you that you are living a sinful lifestyle? That _is_ what you do to homosexuals. Are you prepared to be judged as you have judged? > > CJ \*\* I haven’t gone into and am not going to go into every thread I see on homosexuality and give my 2 cents worth. What would be the point? I’ve already given my view, everyone knows it so why would I continue to invade threads on this subject? ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/133 "2002-12-02T16:37:49Z")
His4Ever, then please start posting about other stuff. If we now your views, no need to pound them over and over again. I want to have sex with Vin Diesel, but I don’t post about it every day. You’ve seen me defend you (I hope) in other threads where you weren’t “posting fundie” and others unnecessarily jumped you. That’s all some of us are asking. Step back from the pits and debates for a while and tell us about your favorite movie, or what you’re reading right now, or your best baked bean recipe. After a while you may get to know people better and build up a bit of a thick skin. I’ll pray for you. I hope you succeed. Jar ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/134 "2002-12-02T16:43:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > And this in the context of at least one other thread, mentioning [His4ever] by name, that says specifically that her divorces are immoral, and in the middle of a thread where practically every post tells her to change. H4e was called to task for hypocricy, not to condemn her divorces as immoral. One comes off as rather hypocritical for condemning others for living in a state of sin (i.e., homosexuality) while one is simultaneously living in another state of sin (i.e., divorce and remarriage). Do try to keep up with the rest of the class, Shodan. Regardless, minty green ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/135 "2002-12-02T16:46:18Z")
Then you’ve changed your behaviour during the past month. I’m referring specifically to your actions on Nov. 10th on [page 3 of the “Fucking Christians” thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=143163&perpage=50&pagenumber=3). You still have a habit of trying to condemn Catholics, Mormons, and anyone who’s views disagree with yours as non-Christians. **His4Ever** , are you so sure Jesus would do what you have done? CJ ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/136 "2002-12-02T16:49:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > \*\*His4Ever, then please start posting about other stuff. If we now your views, no need to pound them over and over again. > > I want to have sex with Vin Diesel, but I don’t post about it every day. > > You’ve seen me defend you (I hope) in other threads where you weren’t “posting fundie” and others unnecessarily jumped you. That’s all some of us are asking. Step back from the pits and debates for a while and tell us about your favorite movie, or what you’re reading right now, or your best baked bean recipe. > > After a while you may get to know people better and build up a bit of a thick skin. > > I’ll pray for you. I hope you succeed. > > Jar \*\* I have posted in other threads, such as Cafe, that have nothing to do with God or beliefs. I’m reading a mystery right now. I like mysteries where you have to figure out “who done it” or “is the missing person dead”. Also like gothic romance. Too many movies I like to give a favorite.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/137 "2002-12-02T17:09:58Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **His4Ever** in the thread linked to by **cjhoworth** above_ > > I agree with you, vanilla. Frankly, I get pretty tired of hearing anti-Christian hate bigotry. Works both ways. Just because we affirm God’s teaching that this lifestyle is sinful doesn’t in any way makes us hateful nor are churches who preach what God says about it, hate cults. Christians and Christian churches can care about and help gays without approving of their lifestyle for that we cannot do. We can’t say something’s right when it isn’t. That isn’t hate, it’s love to tell someone the truth. Umm… I really think you’re missing the point, **His4Ever**. I like you as a person, and I think you’re sincerely trying to do your best to follow Jesus. Which makes it really difficult to understand why you can take stances like this. Because for every word Jesus had to say about repenting of particular sins of commission, He had twice as much to say about people who used the Law as a means to justify their own behavior (by interpreting it out of shape) while judging other people by it. I think there would not be a person on this board who had a problem with your saying, “Well, _I_ wouldn’t engage in sex with another woman, because I can see in the Bible that God condemns it. What _you_ do and whether you’ll risk His judgment is up to you, but I feel honor-bound to point that out.” What a lot of us are saying is that **we as Christians have a direct command from our Lord to show compassion and friendship – _agape_ love – towards all other people** , and _particularly_ those whom society stands in judgment over. Read practically everything He said to the Pharisees, especially the Parables of the Prodigal Son and the Good Samaritan (remembering that Samaritans were evil half-caste heretics to the Jews). Read the Parable of the Sheep and Goats. And the “hypocrite” thing results, not from you having gone through a divorce – there are few of us who would condemn you for divorcing your first husband after seeing your comments on what that marriage was like, and those who would deserve to be guests of honor at their very own Pit threads, IMHO – but from your apparent judgmentalism towards gay people combined with your willingness to “bend” a literal reading of Jesus’s teaching on divorce to justify what you felt it necessary to do. You aren’t gay; you don’t have a feel for what it must be like to be gay. So stop, listen, understand what they’re saying. Then, in love, advise them as you see fit based on your understanding of what Jesus wants. I emphatically do not want you to “change your mind” on anything related to your salvation – you are following the Lord, and that’s what matters. I want you to _do what He said to do_. Slightly over two years ago, I said to **FriendOfGod** , in a very similar context, “Nowhere in Scripture does it say, ‘Go therefore forth and smite them about the head with thy Bible.’” I hope you see the point – you can use a Bible verse to hurt people with, as those who took Jesus’s teaching about divorce to chastize you did. In the name of the Lord God Almighty, I say to you, **don’t do it**. Show His love instead. Peace be with you. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/138 "2002-12-02T18:30:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jack Batty \* > > **H4E** ’s problem isn’t one of religious belief. It’s one of semantics. Hate the sin, love the sinner? Horse ca-ca. That has always been a retarded statement. She doesn’t even see the contradiction in her words – “I’m not saying I hate homosexuals, I just think everything they are in the core of their being is disgusting … but I don’t hate them.” **Jack** , could you please reference the source of this quote? I strongly suspect that you are guilty of the same offense as **Hastur** > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > \*\ ***Hastur** , do NOT misquote people. Read the [Guidelines for Posting](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=106617) in ATMB some more:This also was an announcement, on top of all fora for several weeks. > > The staff will be discussing your situation. \*\* Considering the complaint of the OP, if my guess is right, you’ve legitimized her rant. I have never read a post of hers that puts her in such a disgusting light. I’m prepared to report this post, but I’ll wait for your reply. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/139 "2002-12-02T18:35:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > \*\*I cannot interpret this any way except “stop disagreeing with us or you will be banned”. \*\* Then I humbly submit your interpretation skills are lacking. Severely. Disagreeing with “us”? Who’s “us”? Surely, you don’t mean to imply we warn or ban all posters who express that they believe homosexuality is a sin? Because we don’t. There’s plenty of Christians on these boards who **do** know what “Love the sinner, hate the sin” means. > [@](#): > > **And this in the context of at least one other thread, mentioning her by name, that says specifically that her divorces are immoral, and in the middle of a thread where practically every post tells her to change.** If you heap your own moral values onto others unasked, you better make damn sure your own record is clean, or someone, sooner or later, WILL present you with a mirror. Welcome to the Straight Dope. > [@](#): > > **Kirkland1244 has been banned, Hastur has been warned, Sterra posts “…you’re a horrible person”, but His4ever is the one being blamed for it all.** I’ve read this paragraph four times, and I still don’t see what your point might be. **His4ever** is being held responsible for her actions, and hers alone. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2002, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724/140 "2002-12-02T18:39:22Z")
**grienspace** , there is a thin line between paraphrasing someone, and wrongly attributing words to them. It’s a tough call to make at times, and you’re fully justified in asking **Jack Batty** to back up his paraphrase. But I don’t think JB leaves the impression that **His4ever** literally said what he states, whereas **Hastur** ’s example was an obvious misattribution. Like I said, a tough call to make, but that’s the gist of it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/untruthful-accusations/139724.md?page=8)