# UnuMondo, kindly go to hell and stay there. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 9, 2003, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153 "2003-03-09T21:51:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tanaqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Tanaqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaqui)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2003, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/1 "2003-03-09T21:51:12Z")
I realize this is a bit of over-kill, considering how many Pit threads this individual has already garnered, but I don’t want to bump an earlier thread and this pissed me off almost more than anything I’ve read before on the Dope. In [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=167872&pagenumber=2) thread on homosexuality, UnuMondo once again pokes his ugly head around the corner to spew this bullshit: > [@](#): > > Yes, but most readers - and even more so writers of slash - are young nerds with considerable social and emotional problems. They are a tiny minority of the population, so you cannot say that because most slash writers and readers are women, that most women enjoy male homosexual behaviour. That’s like saying since most goths are girls, all girls are depressed and morbid. Well, UnuMondo, thanks for clearing that up for me! I mean, if it wasn’t for your intelligent and judicious contribution to this discussion, I’d never have realized that I was a “young nerd with considerable social and emotional problems”! What would I and the thousands of slash writers out there do without you? Here we are, going through life, being of the opinion that, in general, we slash writers are smart women who are capable of being confident and open with our sexuality, and then here you come to tell us different! Whoopty-fucking-do! :rolleyes: I’ll tell you one thing: slash writers and readers are some of the most emotionally balanced people I know. They are smart, often ridiculously talented writers, and have enough self-confidence and self-esteem to be comfortable with themselves. Which is a hell of a lot more than you’re packing, asshole. And next time you decide to blissfully insult an entire swath of humanity, why don’t you do it in the Pit instead of in Great Debates, you bloody idiot? And try to provide some cites, if your underdeveloped and rapidly atrophying brain can handle it. :mad: That is all. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2003, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/2 "2003-03-09T22:01:13Z")
So **UnuMondo** commits the unpardonable sin of not providing a cite to back his claim, then: > [@](#): > > I’ll tell you one thing: slash writers and readers are some of the most emotionally balanced people I know. They are smart, often ridiculously talented writers, and have enough self-confidence and self-esteem to be comfortable with themselves. you retort with a _greater_ degree of non-cited generalisation. Huh? And of course, his basic logic is sound. You CANNOT say that because most slash writers are women that most women enjoy the depiction of male homosexual activity. You cannot draw any conclusions whatsoever from the initial premise. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Tanaqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaqui)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2003, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/3 "2003-03-09T22:22:12Z")
> [@](#): > > you retort with a greater degree of non-cited generalisation. Because this is not Great Debates. And as far as I know, there has been no formal studies done on the relative emotional and social soundness of slash writers. As someone who is familiar with the slash scene, my experience is that he is talking bullshit. How would you suggest I go about proving that? I can provide links to archives that prove my claim of the immensity of slash out there, (but I’m not sure if the mods would like that.) I can provide links to various essays and commentary that give evidence for the idea that slash writers are just as sane as women who get off on straight erotica or nothing at all, but I can’t prove it, no. > [@](#): > > And of course, his basic logic is sound. You CANNOT say that because most slash writers are women that most women enjoy the depiction of male homosexual activity. You cannot draw any conclusions whatsoever from the initial premise. But no one claimed that “most” women enjoy the depiction of male homosexual activity. The point was that there are a sizable percentage of women that do, and that you cannot simple dismiss this percentage as some sort of bizarre abnormality because it doesn’t fit in with your world view. I didn’t post that here originally because my emphasis was intended to be on his insults. The other argument can continue in GD. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2003, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/4 "2003-03-09T23:17:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tanaqui \* > Because this is not Great Debates. So? > [@](#): > > And as far as I know, there has been no formal studies done on the relative emotional and social soundness of slash writers. Oh. ---
**Author:** ![FairyDust](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ccd318/32.png) [@FairyDust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyDust)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/5 "2003-03-10T00:16:02Z")
[http://www21.brinkster.com/skuldmirai/slash-revised.htm](http://www21.brinkster.com/skuldmirai/slash-revised.htm) Also, if you want to read more: [http://members.tripod.com/~SlashGirls/slashrant.html](http://members.tripod.com/~SlashGirls/slashrant.html) and [http://www.alltrees.org/anime/abetteridea/why.slash.shtml](http://www.alltrees.org/anime/abetteridea/why.slash.shtml) (I love reading slash, by the way.) ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/6 "2003-03-10T01:13:48Z")
Well, I learned something new today. I had never heard of “slash writing” and I wish I had continued in ignorance of that subject. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/7 "2003-03-10T01:33:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tanaqui \* > \*\*there are a sizable percentage of women that do, \*\* _Sizable_? I don’t think I would buy that. A percentage, sure, but not a sizable one. Just the same as I don’t imagine that a _sizable_ percentage of women enjoy reading slash, either. Perhaps a sizable number of women who read slash get off on male homosexuality. Anyhow - it seems like you’re getting your panties in a wad about semanitcs. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Tanaqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaqui)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/8 "2003-03-10T01:34:53Z")
Very interesting, FairyDust. I’ve done a lot of reading on the reasons behind slash, and those essays cover it pretty well. I read an interesting essay the other day (which I can’t find now. Grr.) which presented the thought that male/male erotica is so popular because homosexuality is the last great provider of romantic “angst” and sexual tension in a culture where practically every other divider can easily be overcome or doesn’t exist anymore. (i.e. class issues, racial issues, divorce is easy and widely accepted…) I thought that was interesting, considering the amount of “first time” style stuff in slash. I don’t think there’s any one real reason for everyone. It’s fun to think about though. And LouisB, I’m sorry you had to briefly think about the icky, icky possibility of two men having sex. I’m sure you’ll recover, though. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Tanaqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaqui)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/9 "2003-03-10T01:43:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Sizable? > > I don’t think I would buy that. A percentage, sure, but not a sizable one. > > Just the same as I don’t imagine that a sizable percentage of women enjoy reading slash, either. I suppose that all depends on your definition of “sizable.” A large percentage of women? No. In the overall scheme of things it is a small subculture, yes. My point in the original thread was that it’s still large enough that it had relevence to the discussion. > [@](#): > > Perhaps a sizable number of women who read slash get off on male homosexuality. I’m not sure why anyone would read slash unless they get off on male homosexuality. That’s the point. > [@](#): > > Anyhow - it seems like you’re getting your panties in a wad about semanitcs. Semantics? He called me and dozens of my friends “nerds” with social and emotional problems because we are turned on by depictions of men making love. I’m not sure where semantics comes in here. Are you telling me I shouldn’t be insulted by this? Would you honestly not mind that being said about you? I’m confused. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/10 "2003-03-10T01:52:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by LouisB \* > \*\*Well, I learned something new today. I had never heard of “slash writing” and I wish I had continued in ignorance of that subject. \*\* Pshaw! We’re here to combat ignorance, not continue it! In that vein, [here’s](http://www.brunching.com/enterpriseslash.html) some delightful starter slash fiction for you. ---
**Author:** ![Freyr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/freyr/32/5763_2.png) [@Freyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freyr)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/11 "2003-03-10T02:24:37Z")
As the starter of the linked thread in the OP, I’ll admit I wanted to get **UnuMondo’s** answer to his declaration that homosexuality somehow damages society. So far, all he’s done is declare he’s upset that I mispelt his name (of which I stand guilty as charged and apologised) and posted that latest bit of spewing that still doesn’t answer the question at hand. I think he’s avoid the thread because he knows there is **NO** answer that’s not based upon his own ignorant bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/12 "2003-03-10T02:32:03Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Tanaqui \* > \*\* > Semantics? He called me and dozens of my friends “nerds” with social and emotional problems because we are turned on by depictions of men making love._\* It’s worse than you think. Back in the GD gay teens thread he was so determined to derail he made it pretty clear that he believes people he considers to be “nerds” deserve as much suffering as the world can possibly give them. If it drives them to suicide they deserve that, too. Given his desire to see “nerds” and gay teens dead, he’d probably be happy to dance on the graves of you and your slashfan friends. I vote we shove his head into a toilet and flush a few times. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/13 "2003-03-10T03:21:29Z")
slash fans are homosexual-loving _ **nerds** _? Brings a whole new meaning to the term “slashdot” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/14 "2003-03-10T03:57:37Z")
**Unomondo** … pshaw. Who needs logic and facts when you’ve got your opinion to steady any course? ---
**Author:** ![Jurhael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@Jurhael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jurhael)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/15 "2003-03-10T05:11:08Z")
Lamia: “I vote we shove his head into a toilet and flush a few times.” Make sure it’s filled with shit! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/16 "2003-03-10T05:14:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jurhael \* > \*\*Lamia: > > “I vote we shove his head into a toilet and flush a few times.” > > Make sure it’s filled with shit! \*\* He already supplies that. Haven’t you read his posts? ---
**Author:** ![Jurhael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@Jurhael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jurhael)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/17 "2003-03-10T05:20:38Z")
Yea, I have. Including the ones where he thought that it’s okay for “nerds” to suffer. Just that, his own shit wouldn’t affect him all that much, but someone else’s? ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/18 "2003-03-10T05:55:30Z")
Ok, I don’t hang out in GD so I was unfamilier with **Uno** anti-homosexual retoric. I work in science and people call each other nerds all the time - it’s sort of a complement, actually. However, none of the nerd-callers are hoping that their friends and colleagues deserves suffering to the point of suicide. Or at all for that matter. Anyhoo - he’s a putz. ---
**Author:** ![Dreaming\_of\_Maria\_Callas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@Dreaming\_of\_Maria\_Callas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dreaming_of_Maria_Callas)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2003, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/19 "2003-03-11T15:52:50Z")
Oh wow, a pit thread. However, notice some people are agreeing with the gist of what I was trying to say in the thread about slash and the majority of the female population. Taniqui wrote: > [@](#): > > I’ll tell you one thing: slash writers and readers are some of the most emotionally balanced people I know. They are smart, often ridiculously talented writers, and have enough self-confidence and self-esteem to be comfortable with themselves. Which is a hell of a lot more than you’re packing, asshole. Well, I do apologise for this, for I had never heard the word “slash” used to describe general erotica. In university I heard the word used to describe rather fanfiction of such wholesome stories such Harry Potter and Star Trek in which characters are put into male/male situation. I stand by what I say about writers like that. Slash fanfiction is primarily a high school/undergrad thing. Check out any such sight on the Internet and marvel at the level of maturity of the authors and designers. Lamia wrote: > [@](#): > > It’s worse than you think. Back in the GD gay teens thread he was so determined to derail he made it pretty clear that he believes people he considers to be “nerds” deserve as much suffering as the world can possibly give them. If it drives them to suicide they deserve that, too. Wrong. I did not say nerds _deserve_ being picked on, I merely expressed that I understand why they do draw such ire from bullies. I was a nerd in high school, but then I grew up and realised a) getting picked on isn’t so bad when you put it in perspective, and b) high school is no place to be different, and c) I don’t think it’s right to make people accept a certain social group and thus believe it would be wrong to limit non-physical bullying. I also wrote in that thread that I don’t believe bullying causes suicide among nerds and losers, because I don’t believe suicide is caused by external causes, but rather personal mental weakness. If bullying definitely leads to suicide, why do the majority of bullied students not kill themselves? UnuMondo ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2003, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153/20 "2003-03-11T19:44:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by UnuMondo \* > \*\*Wrong. I did not say nerds _deserve_ being picked on, I merely expressed that I understand why they do draw such ire from bullies. I was a nerd in high school, but then I grew up and realised a) getting picked on isn’t so bad when you put it in perspective, and b) high school is no place to be different, and c) I don’t think it’s right to make people accept a certain social group and thus believe it would be wrong to limit non-physical bullying. I also wrote in that thread that I don’t believe bullying causes suicide among nerds and losers, because I don’t believe suicide is caused by external causes, but rather personal mental weakness. If bullying definitely leads to suicide, why do the majority of bullied students not kill themselves? \*\* Just out of curiosity: are you related in any way to either Ayn Rand or Friedrich Nietzsche? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unumondo-kindly-go-to-hell-and-stay-there/160153.md?page=2)