# Up \*\*SPOILERS\*\* (it has balloons) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 29, 2009, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011 "2009-05-29T09:19:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/41 "2009-06-01T06:29:16Z")
I have to say that while the 3D processes for _Coraline_ and _M vs. A_ both eventually gave me headaches during the film, I didn’t even notice it in _Up_. It was easily the most comfortable 3D experience I’d ever had in the cinema. Very good film, and certainly in the top half of Pixar’s output, though I still liked _Coraline_ better overall. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/42 "2009-06-01T09:29:21Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Weird. I’ve never heard of that. What’s really weird is all it’s doing is replicating what your eyes deal with in the real world: That is, two slightly different angles of the same view, and your brain overlays and parses depth from that. I’m curious as to where it fails when replicating the illusion. Not really. The experience of watching a 3D movie is pretty far from real life. In real life, your view of a scene, your sense of perspective, your relative scale, your distance from objects, etc., doesn’t radically change constantly. Movies force changes on you. This is no problem with a flat view because in the theater your distance from the image doesn’t change. You remain seated, and the screen doesn’t move. But a 3D movie forces your “distance” to change with each different scene. > [@](#): > > Or, do you not have depth perception in the real world as well? I do OK in the real world, because it’s not constantly changing like a movie. ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/43 "2009-06-01T11:57:20Z")
Oh **Brynda** , that must have been so hard for you! My heart goes out to you. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/44 "2009-06-01T13:36:09Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > Not really. The experience of watching a 3D movie is pretty far from real life. In real life, your view of a scene, your sense of perspective, your relative scale, your distance from objects, etc., doesn’t radically change constantly. Movies force changes on you. This is no problem with a flat view because in the theater your distance from the image doesn’t change. You remain seated, and the screen doesn’t move. But a 3D movie forces your “distance” to change with each different scene. > > I do OK in the real world, because it’s not constantly changing like a movie. Wow- that’s very interesting! Ignorance fought, and all that. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/45 "2009-06-01T13:38:00Z")
Loved the movie. I think, Barchetta, what you’re missing about Muntz is that he is the vital contrast to Carl in the movie. Both Carl and Muntz set out to fulfill a goal at Paradise Falls, with resolute minds - Muntz let his empathy and humanity be eroded in service of that goal, and by contrast, Carl realized that some things are more important. Muntz isn’t just a villain, he’s what Carl could have become had he allowed his obsession to continue. ---
**Author:** ![gotpasswords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c57346/32.png) [@gotpasswords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gotpasswords)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/46 "2009-06-01T16:12:31Z")
[QUOTE=cmyk] Or, do you not have depth perception in the real world as well? [/QUOTE] Another stereoblind checking in. I do not see depth, so like a pigeon, I move my head around a bit and can judge what’s in front of what. For the most part, I’m right-eye dominant and my left eye just provides peripheral vision. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Cream\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ice\_Cream\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Cream_Man)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/47 "2009-06-01T16:27:49Z")
Also, another difference between movie-3D and real-life-3D is that in real life you can focus on things that are closer or farther at will. Movie-3D adds on a forced camera focus (sometimes). I know in Up there were definitely parts with a deliberate depth of field effect. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/48 "2009-06-01T16:42:07Z")
> [@wonder9](#): > > I just got back from Up and thought it was fabulous. A completely novel premise, no stupid songs like all the Disney pictures, characters that seemed real, the dog jokes and images were terrific—dogs playing poker, dogfights in WW1 vintage planes with dog pilots, dogs hanging their heads out of windows. But one of the things I really, really loved was centering the movie around an old person and the relationships he had/has with the world. How refreshing, how brave, how touching and how funny. I loved this movie and plan to go back again. Don’t know that I’ll see it again in the theatres (probably just wait for the DVD), but otherwise I’ll second everything you wrote. We were late to the theatre so we missed the short film beforehand. The first ten minutes were great, though. I noticed that the U.S. and Ohio flags were in the courtroom when Carl goes for his hearing, so as an Ohioan of course that made me happy. My biggest belly laugh was seeing the dogs play poker. I caught the _Star Wars_ ref when the dog-pilots were checking in, too. The geriatric battle between the explorer and Carl was hilarious. My wife, three boys (ages 12, 9 and 6) and I all loved this movie - I’d say it’s Pixar’s best since _The Incredibles_. Russell was adorable. Were the filmmakers implying that his dad just worked too much and was neglectful, or was having an affair? There’s some more I want to write, but… SQUIRREL! ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/49 "2009-06-01T16:57:32Z")
My favorite Pixar movie, I think. The plot was predictable (but then that’s true for 99% of kids movies), but the concept and setting were very unique. Not very many movies with a geriatric hero. > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > We were late to the theatre so we missed the short film beforehand. Was also the Pixar movie with one of the weakest short-films IMHO, though. > [@](#): > > Russell was adorable. Were the filmmakers implying that his dad just worked too much and was neglectful, or was having an affair? I think we were supposed to infer that his parents had divorced and that his father was neglecting his son in favor of his new girlfriend/wife. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/50 "2009-06-02T12:24:14Z")
I did not see a short in front of the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/51 "2009-06-02T13:31:53Z")
Oh, that’s too bad! It was a cute one about clouds, storks and babies… John Lasseter has made a point of saying that while he likes the richness that Real3D provides, he doesn’t like the silly, gimmicky, “coming right out at you!” stuff that most people throw in _because it’s 3D!!!_. So you wont see that in 3D Pixar films. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/52 "2009-06-02T15:03:38Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > I did not see a short in front of the movie. Then you were cheated. Every Pixar offering since at least _Toy Story 2_ has had a short included with it, recycled old ones at first (including _Luxo, Jr._ so people would know where the hopping lamp in the bumper came from) and new ones later on. One oddity I’ve noticed is that they don’t have any dialogue. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/53 "2009-06-02T17:21:17Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Then you were cheated. Every Pixar offering since at least _Toy Story 2_ has had a short included with it, recycled old ones at first (including _Luxo, Jr._ so people would know where the hopping lamp in the bumper came from) and new ones later on. One oddity I’ve noticed is that they don’t have any dialogue. Not sure if that’s always true. Certainly, at least one of them had narration (the one with the hopping jackalope). ---
**Author:** ![ENugent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@ENugent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ENugent)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/54 "2009-06-02T17:29:42Z")
> [@Brynda](#): > > I went to see it hoping for a comedy to distract me from my husband’s recent death. Shit. I wish the trailers had been a little clearer. I’m so sorry, Brynda. That must have been just unspeakably awful for you. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/55 "2009-06-02T17:39:31Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Then you were cheated. Every Pixar offering since at least _Toy Story 2_ has had a short included with it, recycled old ones at first (including _Luxo, Jr._ so people would know where the hopping lamp in the bumper came from) and new ones later on. One oddity I’ve noticed is that they don’t have any dialogue. That’s a good point, though I guess from a production standpoint, it makes a certain amount of sense, because you don’t have to worry about a vocal performance or synching issues (and while _Boundin’_ did have the former, with the narration, the latter was still a non-issue). It also plays to what the shorts are supposed to emphasize–narrative economy and telling a story in a short amount of time. Relying on visuals and expressiveness over dialogue and exposition helps to that end. _Red’s Dream, Tin Toy, Knick Knack, Geri’s Game, One Man Band, Lifted_–they’re all models of this paradigm (even _For the Birds_, I suppose, though I’ve always found that short vastly overrated). I think _Mike’s New Car_ has dialogue (since it involves already established Pixar characters), but that may be the outlier in this case. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/56 "2009-06-02T17:48:35Z")
And, the early Pixar shorts were, as I understand it, created mostly to display the possibilities of the technology as it existed at that time (which meant that dialogue wasn’t the point). It might be that, as Pixar moved into feature films, they kept the shorts without dialogue as a nod to their origins. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/57 "2009-06-02T18:24:02Z")
The shorts tend to feature a technology they’re working on for the _next_ film, so… ---
**Author:** ![Brynda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Brynda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brynda)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/58 "2009-06-03T03:19:46Z")
Thanks, everyone. It was pretty weird. Sort of an “Ok, universe, do you really think this is funny?” moment. Now that it is over, it was probably good that I saw it. Moving on is hard, and anything that encourages me is good, you know? ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/59 "2009-06-03T13:32:53Z")
> [@Brynda](#): > > Thanks, everyone. It was pretty weird. Sort of an “Ok, universe, do you really think this is funny?” moment. Now that it is over, it was probably good that I saw it. Moving on is hard, and anything that encourages me is good, you know? We had the same “oh shit NO” moment with **Marley & Me** and Xmas day with our kids, less than two months after we had to put down both of our Newfoundlands in the same week. The god damned money shot of the vet putting that dog to sleep was just… unnecessary. My kids were hysterical, and so were we. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011/60 "2009-06-03T13:46:00Z")
My condolences. It can be hard when art follows life… especially when it’s too soon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/up-spoilers-it-has-balloons/498011.md?page=4)