# Upcoming TCM **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 22, 2006, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upcoming-tcm/357811 "2006-05-22T20:42:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2006, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upcoming-tcm/357811/1 "2006-05-22T20:42:54Z")
A favorite fun movie, one of Myrna Loy’s most enjoyable performances, is on tonight, Monday: [_The Bachelor and the Bobbysoxer_](http://tcmdb.com/title/title.jsp?scarlettTitleId=3538) pairs her with Cary Grant, and gives her Shirley Temple as a titular kid sister. Also, Penn and Teller are guest programming this evening. Among their choices is Orson Welles’s bizarre masterpiece, [_F for Fake._](http://tcmdb.com/title/title.jsp?scarlettTitleId=486939) Seriously, don’t miss this hoaxy documentary about hoaxes. Tomorrow, Tuesday, is another installment in the Race and Hollywood series. Wednesday, 9.30am Central, is the pre-code original version of _When Ladies Meet_, supposed to be something of a classic. I’ve only seen the blandish remake with Joan Crawford, Robert (“I’m Acting as Bad as I Can”) Taylor, Greer Garson, and the wonderful Spring Byington, so I’m extreeemly interested to see this pre-code version. Molly Haskell devoted quite a bit of text to it in _From Reverence to Rape_, which is one of the best books about movies ever written by anyone anywhere. And then beginning Wednesday there will be 24 hours devoted to the great Bette Davis, including one of her greatest performances–in _Little Foxe_s–and one of my favorites, the behind-the-scenes bitchfest of _Old Acquaintance._ Bette and Miriam Hopkins hated each other–Bette slept with Miriam’s husband, and got an Oscar for _Jezebel_, a role Hopkins had originated on stage and had expected to do on screen. So as two “bestest friends” with repressed animosity and jealousy, the chemistry was absolutely perfect. Too polished to be campy, but the catty sparks make it a camp classic nonetheless. The Bette Davis marathon will be followed by another installment in the Race in Hollywood series, bringing us into the 60s and 70s with the great _In the Heat of the Night_ and, of course, \*Shaft \*and _Superfly_. I just love TCM. Friday evening, before the 5-day Memorial Day Weekend War Movie Marathon, there will be four John Ford movies in a row, including the breathtakingly beautiful Eugene O’Neill adaptation–O’Neill’s personal favorite of all the adaptions of his work–the rarely seen _The Long Voyage Home._ John Ford at sea, in his post-_Sunrise_/Murnau period. With cinematography by Gregg Toland, who was hired by Orson Welles to shoot _Citizen Kane_ based on his work with Ford. (Orson Welles, on his favorite directors: “I prefer the old masters: John Ford, John Ford, and John Ford.”) An eclectic mix of Ford titles this friday: after _The Long Voyage Home_, we get _Rio Grande_, the final chapter in Ford’s Cavalry Trilogy. Then we get _The Quiet Man_, and finally _Donovan’s Reef._ There are some great movies being shown this weekend, movies that just happen to be war movies, as part of the Memorial Day marathon: _Sands of Iwo Jima Sgt. York A Farewell to Arms The Red Badge of Courage From Here to Eternity They Were Expendable_ (one of John Ford’s greatest portraits of glory in defeat) _Objective Burma Hearts of the World_ (DWGriffiths and the Gish sisters) _Cry Havoc_ (a surprisingly brutal story of WWII nurses, made during the war) _Bridge on the River Kwai_ –all in time for, on Tuesday May 30, an all day Howard Hawks marathon followed by another installment in the Race in Hollywood series. Sheesh. Why does anybody ever watch any other channel? ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2006, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upcoming-tcm/357811/2 "2006-05-22T21:12:47Z")
So this thread is not about _Lost_ then? ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2006, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upcoming-tcm/357811/3 "2006-05-22T22:45:06Z")
I’m watching The Bachelor and the Bobbysoxer right now and it’s hilarious. Didn’t they have a habit of pairing Grant up with much younger leading ladies? Did this movie poke fun at that convention or was the younger leading ladies something that came later in his career? Marc ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upcoming-tcm/357811/4 "2006-05-23T01:53:36Z")
It’s always been standard practice in Hollywood to let the men age gracefully but keep trading in their female costars for younger models. Cary Grant was not unique in that way, by any stretch. Still, I think you’re right; I think Bachelor/Bobbysoxer consciously trades on that cliche. Note that while he’s pursued by a teenager, his real match is a mature lady judge. And no one is more surprised than he is. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upcoming-tcm/357811/5 "2006-05-23T01:57:07Z")
Davis and Hopkins did two movies together? I’m watching The Old Maid now, and Osborne talked about their personal issues. If you didn’t know, you wouldn’t know from watching this movie. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upcoming-tcm/357811/6 "2006-05-23T02:45:32Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > It’s always been standard practice in Hollywood to let the men age gracefully but keep trading in their female costars for younger models. Cary Grant was not unique in that way, by any stretch. Still, I think you’re right; I think Bachelor/Bobbysoxer consciously trades on that cliche. Note that while he’s pursued by a teenager, his real match is a mature lady judge. And no one is more surprised than he is. IIRC, he was very concerned about it when making _Charade_ with Audrey Hepburn, and insisted that it should be her persuing him, rather than the other way around. He didn’t want to look like a cradle-robber. (That’s my favorite Hepburn movie, incidentally). ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upcoming-tcm/357811/7 "2006-05-23T02:53:03Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > It’s always been standard practice in Hollywood to let the men age gracefully but keep trading in their female costars for younger models. Cary Grant was not unique in that way, by any stretch. One of the few to realize how ridiculous it could look was Jimmy Stewart, whose last romantic lead was in _Bell Book and Candle_ at age 50 across from Kim Novak (age 25) for whom he threw over Janice Rule (age 27). ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upcoming-tcm/357811/8 "2006-05-23T02:54:52Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Penn and Teller are guest programming this evening. Among their choices is Orson Welles’s bizarre masterpiece, F for Fake. Seriously, don’t miss this hoaxy documentary about hoaxes. I saw the first half hour or so and in quick succession lost the thread, the point, and all interest. Either this was an early (and very pretentious and mannered) exercise in metacontent, or else Welles’ calling it a documentary was the biggest fake of the evening. I’m tempted to agree with [Kibo](http://www.kibo.com) when he wrote recently, “My current theory is that the original title was _F For Fuck You Audience, Gimme My Money And Color Me Gone!_” ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upcoming-tcm/357811/9 "2006-05-23T03:14:47Z")
It’s kind of a study in pretension; you have to let Welles dictate the terms or you don’t stand to get much out of it. If you let it be what it is, instead of what you’d normally expect a “documentary” to be, it’s a pretty amazing little piece of work. It’s maybe his most unconventional work, and all rules/bets are off. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upcoming-tcm/357811/10 "2006-05-23T03:27:26Z")
> [@Beware of Doug](#): > > I’m tempted to agree with [Kibo](http://www.kibo.com) when he wrote recently, “My current theory is that the original title was _F For Fuck You > Audience, Gimme My Money And Color Me Gone!_” Hmm. The entire reference to the movie from the piece you quote is– > [@some dude named "Kibo"](#): > > So in conclusion, if someone is fat but has a tiny penis, I’d rather encourage them to make movies like “_F For Fake_” than lose weight. My current theory is that the original title was “_F For Fuck You Audience, Gimme My Money And Color Me Gone!_” Man, I love how Orson loved to kick audiences in the teeth. And from the same “piece”– > [@Kibo](#): > > What were we talking about? Oh, yeah, fat people should lose weight. Then there will be more food for those of us with big penises. Insightful commentary. Not a review or analysis of the movie, but a throwaway line in an entirely unrelated discussion. But whatever. All opinions are equal. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upcoming-tcm/357811/11 "2006-05-23T05:35:07Z")
**lissener** : James “Kibo” Parry is a comedian. He’s better known on Usenet than the Web, and I’m surprised to see him referenced on the SDMB. As you so ably prove, his sense of humor isn’t for everyone. > [@lissener](#): > > All opinions are equal. Your words, not mine. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upcoming-tcm/357811/12 "2006-05-23T06:58:12Z")
Penn [del]and Teller[/del] had some interesting things to say about the movies they chose, especially _F for Fake_ and _Freaks._ And the regrettable inclusion of _The Sunshine Boys_ at least led to some interesting insights on the nature of showbiz partners. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upcoming-tcm/357811/13 "2006-05-23T07:01:28Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > One of the few to realize how ridiculous it could look was Jimmy Stewart, whose last romantic lead was in _Bell Book and Candle_ at age 50 across from Kim Novak (age 25) for whom he threw over Janice Rule (age 27). His second pairing with Novak, although at least Hitchcock lent their pairing an appropriate surrealism. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Mapp](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miss_mapp/32/369_2.png) [@Miss\_Mapp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Mapp)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upcoming-tcm/357811/14 "2006-05-23T11:29:47Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Davis and Hopkins did two movies together? I’m watching The Old Maid now, and Osborne talked about their personal issues. If you didn’t know, you wouldn’t know from watching this movie. _The Old Maid_ and _Old Acquaintance_ make me wish Davis and Hopkins had done more movies. They may have hated each other’s guts, but they worked so well together. My favorite part of _Old Acquaintance_ is when Bette’s ever-patient Kit gets sick and tired of Miriam’s character’s self-centered blatherings and gives her a good shaking.