# Upd: Kim Potter trial resolved: guilty of manslaughter 1&2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 20, 2021, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384 "2021-12-20T21:46:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/181 "2021-12-28T00:11:02Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > But I suspect that many on these boards would be more satisfied with more dead or injured cops if it resulted in fewer people being shot by police. Count me in. Your life is not more valuable than mine because of your profession. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/182 "2021-12-28T00:44:25Z")
There’s a possibility for police to be shot, a probability for working class Black men to be shot, and a certainty for the family dog to be shot. All in all, given the choice to be a cop, a suspect or a dog, I’d prefer to be a gun manufacturer. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/183 "2021-12-28T02:37:33Z")
50% increase in officers deaths sounds pretty bad to me. > **[FBI finds ‘alarming uptick in violence against law enforcement’](https://www.ajc.com/news/fbi-finds-alarming-uptick-in-violence-against-law-enforcement/RTA2BF724JAQ7OOGZAIA75YZLM/)** > > The number of U.S. law enforcement officers killed by violence while in the line of duty has reached the highest rate in five years, according to FBI data released this week. > [@](#): > > According to numbers reported to the FBI by 9,895 agencies around the country, 60,105 law enforcement officers were assaulted while performing their duties in 2020. That marks an increase of 4,071 officers assaulted than the 56,034 assaults reported in 2019. > [@](#): > > “What we’re seeing this year is an alarming uptick in violence against law enforcement, and it’s something that deserves way more attention than it’s getting,” FBI Director Christopher Wray said during National Police Week. “We are looking at now 59 officers or agents murdered in the line of duty this year. That’s an over 50 percent increase from (the same time) last year. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/184 "2021-12-28T03:03:00Z")
> [@mjmartin](#): > > Count me in. Your life is not more valuable than mine because of your profession. Yep, I’m totally up for that. @aceplace57 I’m too blazed to find the links, but Phoenix cops are reporting a high number of hit and run accidents happening to them and are reacting as though it’s an attack. I don’t think that is so, I think that most of those hit and run drivers would have stopped in the past. Now that everyone has been taught that the police are _not our friends_, the first reaction to an accident with a police vehicle is “Oh, fuck, I’m going to die if I don’t get away.” There were two motorcycle cops hit and hospitalized last week in separate incidences. There were five other motorcycles hit during the same period of time in the same area. Those drivers didn’t run. ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/185 "2021-12-28T12:10:29Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > 50% increase in officers deaths sounds pretty bad to me. Its cherry picked data. The true story is that the number of officers killed by gunfire has ranged from the mid 30s to the mid 60s each year since at least 2010 with a high of 68 in 2011. 2020 was on the lower side, but not the lowest in the past decade (2013 with 34). > **[2021](https://www.odmp.org/search/year/2021)** > > 710 law enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty in 2021. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/186 "2021-12-28T18:15:43Z")
> [@mjmartin](#): > > Count me in. Your life is not more valuable than mine because of your profession. If you’re attacking a police officer then your life is worth less than the officer’s and it’s a choice you made. And that’s equally true of any other person you choose to attack. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/187 "2021-12-28T18:17:36Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > If you’re attacking a police officer then your life is worth less than the officer’s and it’s a choice you made. How about a young boy playing in a park with a toy gun? ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/188 "2021-12-28T18:21:14Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > If you’re attacking a police officer then your life is worth less than the officer’s and it’s a choice you made. Agreed in that circumstance. However, I am sure you’re aware of the multitude of cases of police shootings that didn’t involve anyone attacking a police officer, or anyone else? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/189 "2021-12-28T18:36:11Z")
And if an officer attacks you, then his or her life is worth less than yours, and that’s a choice they made. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/190 "2021-12-28T20:12:06Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > How about a young boy playing in a park with a toy gun? You mean the airsoft toy that had the identifier removed showing it wasn’t a real gun? What lesson is learned from that? Don’t point a gun at police and ignore instructions to drop it. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/191 "2021-12-28T20:16:15Z")
> [@mjmartin](#): > > Agreed in that circumstance. However, I am sure you’re aware of the multitude of cases of police shootings that didn’t involve anyone attacking a police officer, or anyone else? That’s a broad statement to make but generally yes. It’s not a freebie if you have a badge. We just had a case in Ohio where a man was shot at night and called the police from the middle of the street. They ran him over looking for the house in question. The dispatcher didn’t mention he was in the street. The police are looking for a shooter in the dark. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/192 "2021-12-28T20:23:42Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > You mean the airsoft toy that had the identifier removed showing it wasn’t a real gun? > > What lesson is learned from that? Don’t point a gun at police and ignore instructions to drop it. So, in the category of “People whose lives are worth less than cops,” we have: People who attack cops Children who modify their toys Any whose reflexes aren’t fast enough Any more you want to add to that list? ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/193 "2021-12-28T20:35:37Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Any more you want to add to that list? A teen having a mental health crisis. > **[Shooting of Linden Cameron](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Linden_Cameron)** > > On September 4, 2020, Linden Cameron, an unarmed 13-year-old autistic boy, was shot and seriously injured by Matthew Farillas, a police officer in Salt Lake City, Utah. Cameron was shot at eleven times by Farillas after Cameron ran from his house during a mental breakdown. In 2022, the family and the city agreed to settle their civil case for $3 million. > On September 4, Linden Cameron's mother, Golda Barton had made a 9-1-1 call asking for a crisis intervention team because Cameron was having... Pregnant women who waited “too long” before pulling over. > **[Arkansas State Police settles PIT maneuver lawsuit which injured pregnant woman](https://www.kark.com/news/working4you/arkansas-state-police-settle-pit-maneuver-lawsuit-which-injured-pregnant-woman/)** > > Attorneys for an Arkansas woman who was pregnant when she said her car was flipped by a state trooper performing a controversial PIT maneuver during a traffic stop have announced a settlement in he… A man buying a bb gun in Walmart. > **[Killing of John Crawford III](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Crawford_III)** > > The killing of John Crawford III occurred on August 5, 2014. Crawford was a 22-year-old African-American man shot and killed by a police officer in a Walmart store in Beavercreek, Ohio, near Dayton, while he was holding a BB gun that was for sale in the store. The shooting was captured on surveillance video and led to protests from groups including the NAACP and the Black Lives Matter movement. > A grand jury declined to indict the two officers involved on criminal charges. The City of Beavercreek... A man legally carrying a firearm. > **[Killing of Philando Castile](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Philando_Castile)** > > On July 6, 2016, Philando Castile,\[a\] a 32-year-old African American man, was fatally shot during a traffic stop by police officer Jeronimo Yanez of the St. Anthony police department in the Minneapolis–Saint Paul metropolitan area. > Castile was driving with his girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, and her four-year-old daughter when at 9:00 p.m. he was pulled over by Yanez and another officer in Falcon Heights, a suburb of Saint Paul, Minnesota. After being asked for his license and registration, Cast... ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/194 "2021-12-28T20:56:40Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > What amount of police shootings in a country with 330 million people and an equal number of guns would you expect? This is not the same statistics you’ll find in other countries that have a different culture. Are you saying that American police officers are inherently violent thugs who can’t be expected to live up to the same standards as police in other countries? Because if the reason our cops kill so many more people per capita is their violent culture, that culture needs to be changed. There’s no inherent law of nature that says American cops need to resort to violence. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/195 "2021-12-28T20:57:10Z")
Really, you think that those were all justified shootings? That the life of the cop (which was never in danger), was worth more than the person that they shot and killed? ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/196 "2021-12-28T20:57:55Z")
Not at all. Sorry, the sarcasm clearly didn’t come through. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/197 "2021-12-28T21:00:17Z")
Oh, okay. And my bad too, your “avatar” looks a whole lot like Magiver’s, so I took a different take on that post. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/198 "2021-12-28T21:02:57Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > What lesson is learned from that? Don’t point a gun at police and ignore instructions to drop it. In the case of the Tamir Rice shooting, which I believe you are referring to here, he was never given a chance to ignore the instructions, they opened fire as soon as they pulled up on him. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/199 "2021-12-28T21:16:07Z")
Or living in an apartment a cop mistakes for theirs… ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384/200 "2021-12-28T21:51:55Z")
Or sleeping in your own apartment.\* Or selling individual cigarettes. Or walking down the street holding a walkman that ‘looked like a gun’. Or having contradictory commands being barked at you by multiple officers, while also being told that if you make a mistake “I will kill you”, then getting shot in the back 5 times from 20 feet away by an AR-15 with the words ‘you’re fucked’ engraved on it. Totes justified. (FWIW, that’s from memory so I might have some details wrong because I have no interest in ever watching that video again). \*WRT the Breonna Taylor case, I heard someone say ‘well, she was in the wrong place at the wrong time’, to which I glared at him and said “she was asleep in her own apartment, how is that ‘the wrong place’”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upd-kim-potter-trial-resolved-guilty-of-manslaughter-1-2/956384.md?page=11)