# Update: Waaaaah! I didn't win! Daddy, sue them! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 2, 2005, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560 "2005-06-02T16:07:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/41 "2005-06-06T03:39:34Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > On the contrary, he’d fit right in on the roster of the New York Rangers. Hey now, I only mentioned one Ranger there. You’re right though. I’m surprised they didn’t offer him a billion on the spot. I was hoping this would move to the pit. Stupid lazy punk fucking kid. Boo hoo. Didn’t win the MVP award. Who gives a shit? There were a lot of other kids who didn’t win it either. Only one of them was a whiny little bitch about it. That award goes to you Croteau. Congratulations. Never quit whining. Someday, you’ll be a fifty year old man, balding and overweight, blaming that MVP loss for all of your failures in life. Remember, it’s never _your_ fault. Now when you get up on that stage to accept your award, don’t forget to thank your father. He coddled you, spoiled you, encouraged you to piss and moan, spent money on lawyers to sue, and wasted the courts time all for you, his pathetic loser son. Not every dad would be retarted enough to do that. He deserves some recognition. ---
**Author:** ![davenportavenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f8ce5/32.png) [@davenportavenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davenportavenger)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/42 "2005-06-06T03:43:34Z")
I get the distinct feeling that this star player is an indigo child. You don’t want to piss off the indigo children. They have powers. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/43 "2005-06-06T04:07:46Z")
Is it possible that the father (whoever is in their corner) made up the story about the son and his proposed relinquishment of hockey? It sounds to me like one of those embellishments added to make the audience more sympathetic towards one’s actions and this time, it backfired instead. Just a possible WAG. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/44 "2005-06-06T04:15:36Z")
Hockey, huh. That’s the one with the sticks, right? ---
**Author:** ![Campion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@Campion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Campion)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/45 "2005-06-06T05:27:03Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > Is it possible that the father (whoever is in their corner) made up the story about the son and his proposed relinquishment of hockey? It sounds to me like one of those embellishments added to make the audience more sympathetic towards one’s actions and this time, it backfired instead. Just a possible WAG. Heh. I thought maybe the kid figured if he quit hockey, his dad would stop all the public moaning about that stupid award. Poor guy – the kid, I mean. He was young enough when this happened that he could have learned some valuable life lessons. I hope the kid is aware enough to see what’s going on. And where’s the mom in all this? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/46 "2005-06-06T07:52:42Z")
There is a certain kind of mental illness that I guess most litigators come across a few times in their careers. I’ve seen it twice. It sadly results in people pursuing ridiculous incoherent claims up hill and down dale through court after court and hearing after hearing, for year upon year. It starts with some slight or perceived unfairness, then later procedural hiccups and comments and so on become further causes for argument, often with elements of paranoia and conspiracy thrown in, and eventually becomes a life consuming whirlwind of lawsuits with every dollar and minute of the poor sap’s resources going into the fight. When I read Croteau’s post and his website my first thought was that you could remove the names and specifics and his outpourings would be indistinguishable from the documentary tirades and incoherent speeches of a certain two other gentlemen whose files are just down the hall from me, in one of my partner’s filing drawers. Though at least their illness is not hurting their sons. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/47 "2005-06-06T13:44:25Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > There’s a goalie in handball?? Hmmm… I may have translated it wrong… balonmano? It’s played in a covered court verys imilar to the one for “futbito” (7-player soccer, indoors soccer), and the goalie is that guy standing in a goal slightly bigger than the one for hockey, and the way they try to stop balls is more a “jump of the spread spider” kind of thing than trying to grab it like soccer goalies do. Anyway, Barça and Portland San Antonio are the biggest teams here, I’m sure you can find some pics in [www.fcbarcelona.com](http://www.fcbarcelona.com) ---
**Author:** ![St.Urho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e7dd6/32.png) [@St.Urho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/St.Urho)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/48 "2005-06-06T14:16:54Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Hmmm… I may have translated it wrong… balonmano? It’s played in a covered court verys imilar to the one for “futbito” (7-player soccer, indoors soccer), and the goalie is that guy standing in a goal slightly bigger than the one for hockey, and the way they try to stop balls is more a “jump of the spread spider” kind of thing than trying to grab it like soccer goalies do. > > Anyway, Barça and Portland San Antonio are the biggest teams here, I’m sure you can find some pics in [www.fcbarcelona.com](http://www.fcbarcelona.com) [Team Handball](http://www.usateamhandball.org/sport.html), maybe? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/49 "2005-06-06T17:23:48Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Hockey, huh. > That’s the one with the sticks, right? I’m pretty sure you’re right. Girls play it in gym class out on the football field. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/50 "2005-06-06T18:06:39Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I’m pretty sure you’re right. Girls play it in gym class out on the football field. No, no, no. That’s Lacrosse. Hockey is played inside on this really cool table that has air blowing up through little tiny holes… ---
**Author:** ![FaerieBeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e95f7d/32.png) [@FaerieBeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FaerieBeth)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/51 "2005-06-06T18:44:09Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > No, no, no. That’s Lacrosse. Hockey is played inside on this really cool table that has air blowing up through little tiny holes… According to my grandfather, it’s an animal byproduct not to be stepped in… “Stay out of that pasture or you’ll end up with cow hockey all over your shoes, girl!” ---
**Author:** ![InkBlot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5e925/32.png) [@InkBlot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InkBlot)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/52 "2005-06-06T18:48:01Z")
For everyone who saw the father’s post and wants to know what it says, I’m going to try my Universal Tech Support translator on it to see what happens\*. His complaint is that the governing body witheld statistical information from the voters of the MVP award he feels would directly influence the outcome of the award. He then complains to the commission, and after some time going back and forth does not get satisfaction. So, he files suit. Thanks to some obscure bylaw, his son is indefintly suspended during the course of the trial. So, this blossoms into the more advanced suits, including the Human Rights complaint for “punishing the son for the sins of the father,” to wit: because of the suspension the kid is now a 19yr old in Law school, and will probably never see scholarships or a chance at a professional hockey career. That’s what I can gleen from it, anyway. Hope it helps. InkBlot :eek: \*Note: it’s not a technical issue, so it may not work well. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/53 "2005-06-06T19:04:24Z")
> [@FaerieBeth](#): > > According to my grandfather, it’s an animal byproduct not to be stepped in… > > “Stay out of that pasture or you’ll end up with cow hockey all over your shoes, girl!” Well that would be natural since the cow product in question resembles both the little plastic piece used to hit the disc and the disc itself. But I think the name came from the game and not the other way around… ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/54 "2005-06-06T19:45:40Z")
> [@Doctor Jackson](#): > > Y’know, that’s a pretty good WAG. You’re right - it’s not fair to the son, but as one who has coached youth league sports for over 10 years, I can tell you it happens more than you know. Any time we (the coaches) select an All Star team for post season play this issue comes up. The league commisioner always asks “OK, you have selected the 12 best players to represent our park - are there any problem parents we need to know about?”. If the answer is “yes” we carefully consider whether keeping the player is worth it. > > I hate having to exclude a kid because of his or her parents, but there are more issues involved than fairness to one kid. We are, after all, representing our park and we take that seriously. If we strongly believe the parent will reflect badly on our program, then we have no choice but to drop the kid. > > I can see that happening in this case. I sent the link to this thread to my husband who has been coaching amateur but high-level baseball for about 20 years, and his response was pretty much the same. From Dread Pirate Jimbo: > [@](#): > > This is why we pre-screen our kids’ parents as closely as we screen the kids when selecting players in the draft – we prefer to leave the nut-jobs for other teams to deal with. I think that pretty much says it all. They’re volunteer coaches - they certainly do not get paid enough to deal with high-maintenance parents on a regular basis. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/55 "2005-06-06T20:40:32Z")
> [@](#): > > Hey now, I only mentioned one Ranger there. Yashin’s an Islander, not a Ranger. And I wouldn’t put all of the blame on Daigle for his pitiful career. The Sens blew his development big-time. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/56 "2005-06-06T21:46:24Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > No, no, no. That’s Lacrosse. Hockey is played inside on this really cool table that has air blowing up through little tiny holes… Girls play lacrosse? As for that other game, I know they don’t play it. They just stand around looking pissed while their boyfriends play it. Substituting “watch” for “play” in some cases, I think I have summed up most sports in that sentence. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2005, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/57 "2005-06-07T10:45:38Z")
> [@InkBlot](#): > > Thanks to some obscure bylaw, his son is indefintly suspended during the course of the trial. So, this blossoms into the more advanced suits, including the Human Rights complaint for “punishing the son for the sins of the father,” to wit: because of the suspension the kid is now a 19yr old in Law school, and will probably never see scholarships or a chance at a professional hockey career. He should sue his father then. ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2005, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/58 "2005-06-07T14:39:32Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > Is it possible that the father (whoever is in their corner) made up the story about the son and his proposed relinquishment of hockey? It sounds to me like one of those embellishments added to make the audience more sympathetic towards one’s actions and this time, it backfired instead. Just a possible WAG. I believe it. My employer was involved in a little ol’ Supreme Court case not too long ago, in which the plaintiff described how her life was ruined when she wasn’t accepted. She had “no other options,” etc etc. This was greatly played up in the press. The truth was, she was offered the waitlist. Later that summer, every person on the waitlist was admitted outright. Only not her, because…she turned down the waitlist offer. This does not sound, to me, like a person who was devastated and had no other options. You don’t turn down the waitlist at your dream school if you have no other offers anywhere else. But I suspect she and/or her lawyers thought spinning it that way would make her a more sympathetic figure. I’ll bet Dad thought it would sound more dramatic if his kid was too devastated to play anymore…yet another miscalculation on his part IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2005, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/59 "2005-06-07T14:46:37Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Girls play lacrosse? You betcha they do! Either “Girl’s Lacrosse” which has some fairly stringent rules designed to keep injuries to a minumum, or and increasing number who are playing “Boy’s Lacrosse” which is full-contact, free-wheeling, and a butt-load of fun. _Beware_ the girls playing Boy’s Lacrosse… They be bloodthirsty! ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2005, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560/60 "2005-06-07T16:09:40Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Yashin’s an Islander, not a Ranger. Don’t remind me. What a waste that was. Wang was taking lessons from Steinbrenner. **Inkblot** , the kid was likely not destined to be a pro, although college scholarships could have been lost. He’s much too small. It’s possible he could overcome his diminutive size but, to reiterate, not likely. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/update-waaaaah-i-didnt-win-daddy-sue-them/306560.md?page=4)