# Updike and New Iskander, it's a twofer tuesday! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 8, 2005, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097 "2005-11-08T20:42:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2005, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/321 "2005-11-23T03:43:31Z")
šŸ˜ƒ Yeah, I mean those whoā€™d disagree in a reasonable/rational manner. Good to know that Iā€™ve made my case though. I am interested to see what honest debate could be had without the words ā€˜maliceā€™, ā€˜traitor,ā€™ ā€˜America-haterā€™ etcā€¦ cropping up. We shall see. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2005, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/322 "2005-11-23T03:45:08Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > By the way, I was curious if anybody else reading this thread questions my data or methodology? Iā€™m not going to dig up any more cites tonight, but I believe Iā€™ve put forward a convincing case that an estimate of around two dozen deaths via physical damage caused by our forces is as accurate an estimate as can be expected under the circumstances. > > Does anybody disagree? Well, Iā€™m convinced that you hate America, and Iā€™m beginning to suspect that you may be Osama himself. Youā€™ve made your case well. Youā€™ve done a lot of work and made a very solid case for your conclusions. Sure itā€™s a massive waste of time as youā€™ll never convince Scylla and Updike and may not even see them back in this thread again, but what were you going to use that time for anyways? šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2005, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/323 "2005-11-23T03:48:28Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > šŸ˜ƒ > Yeah, I mean those whoā€™d disagree in a reasonable/rational manner. > > Good to know that Iā€™ve made my case though. I am interested to see what honest debate could be had without the words ā€˜maliceā€™, ā€˜traitor,ā€™ ā€˜America-haterā€™ etcā€¦ cropping up. We shall see. You got me convinced. But it didnā€™t take much. Cheney had convinced me. Jim ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/324 "2005-12-12T14:48:57Z")
Updike was shitting on threads last night. This post [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6890085&postcount=29](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6890085&postcount=29) In this thread [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=349096&page=1&pp=50](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=349096&page=1&pp=50) and these gems [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6889282&postcount=70](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6889282&postcount=70) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6889646&postcount=73](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6889646&postcount=73) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6889748&postcount=75](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6889748&postcount=75) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6889990&postcount=78](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6889990&postcount=78) From [He hit my kid. Someone talk me downā€¦](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6890646#post6890646) Jim ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/325 "2005-12-12T17:25:25Z")
**Puppy** is obviously upset at **Clothahump** ā€™s most recent shit-and-run OP which was followed up by a whinging attack upon anybody who thought that he had an obligation to do more than drop a nugget in the Pit and then flee. **Puppy** must know that he is in danger of losing the Anti-Doper crown, and is just trying to make up lost ground. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/326 "2005-12-12T17:34:24Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > Updike was shitting on threads last night. > > Jim Looks to me like he just stirs up shit, where ever he goes. I especially liked the way he tried to spin the thread into a ā€œitā€™s her faultā€ excretion. Nice touch. NOT. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/327 "2005-12-12T17:38:01Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > **Puppy** is obviously upset at **Clothahump** ā€™s most recent shit-and-run OP which was followed up by a whinging attack upon anybody who thought that he had an obligation to do more than drop a nugget in the Pit and then flee. **Puppy** must know that he is in danger of losing the Anti-Doper crown, and is just trying to make up lost ground. See, I can actually provide cites of were when **Clothahump** is not being political heā€™s nice and rational. I use [this as one of many](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6891040&postcount=54). I am now convince the **Puppy** has severe diarrhea of the mouth or in this case his fingers. Neither thread in any way deserved the unintelligent remarks he made. He really seems to just enjoy being a jerk. I think Clothahump is very right winged and doesnā€™t check his facts well but is otherwise a well adjusted person who you could probably share a drink or meal with and find common ground. I actually think \*\*Updike \*\* is someone I would never want to be around. I think \*\*Updike \*\* has firm control over the title and doesnā€™t need to work at it so hard. He won the first round and I say still Champion. Jim ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/328 "2005-12-12T17:44:38Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > See, I can actually provide cites of were when **Clothahump** is not being political heā€™s nice and rational. This is, possibly, true. But CS is CS, after all. And he does have a tendency to get political. > [@jrfranchi](#): > > I am now convince the **Puppy** has severe diarrhea of the mouth or in this case his fingers. Perhaps he has severe diarrhea on his fingers? > [@jrfranchi](#): > > I think \*\*Updike \*\* has firm control over the title and doesnā€™t need to work at it so hard. He won the first round and I say still Champion. He did indeed take the crown away from **Isky** after it was revealed that **Isky** ā€™s stupid act was, well, just an act. You are probably right though. Without another half dozen political OPā€™s by **Humpy** , I think weā€™ll see **Puppy** bear the crown until next yearā€™s competition. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/329 "2005-12-12T19:57:42Z")
On this thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=348635&page=3&pp=50](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=348635&page=3&pp=50) **New Iskander** claims that > [@](#): > > **It was established once and for all on this board that Nazis were Left wing Socialists.** There was no such a thread, at most there were threads were this was discussed, but the consensus leaned towards discrediting the assumption that the Nazis were leftist. He refused the demand from several dopers to get a SDMB cite for that and so far he has refused, then he lies on other dopers replying with evidence. Then to demonstrate what an idiot he is: > [@New Iskander](#): > > You are free to demonstrate Right wing pedigree of Nazi party by providing a single Right wing position of theirs, such as cuts on welfare and education, privatization of industries and so on. He then produces a quote (post#125) from George Orwell that actually shows the difference between Socialism and Fascism and why capitalists support fascists. When private ownership of companies is not abolished but unions are, you bet it is a Right Wing position. **NI** actually crowed that that quote from Orwell proved his position! Idiocy and reading comprehension deficiency indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/330 "2005-12-12T20:19:31Z")
Look, itā€™s very simple. We know the Nazis were leftists because they promoted national socialism. This is just like how we know that they have democracy in China because itā€™s called The Peopleā€™s Republic. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/331 "2005-12-12T20:28:02Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Look, itā€™s very simple. We know the Nazis were leftists because they promoted national socialism. This is just like how we know that they have democracy in China because itā€™s called The Peopleā€™s Republic. You see, when someone spells it out in plain English it makes total sense. Thank You Miller. šŸ˜‰ Jim ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/332 "2005-12-12T20:33:55Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Look, itā€™s very simple. We know the Nazis were leftists because they promoted national socialism. This is just like how we know that they have democracy in China because itā€™s called The Peopleā€™s Republic. I like also how it was pointed before that Saddam Hussein had a \* Republican\* Guard. Makes you wonder why we destroyed and disbanded such a nice group of peopleā€¦ šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/333 "2005-12-12T21:05:55Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I like also how it was pointed before that Saddam Hussein had a \* Republican\* Guard. Makes you wonder why we destroyed and disbanded such a nice group of peopleā€¦ šŸ˜‰ Because Bush is a uniter, not a divider, and he wanted to bring Democrats to the region. Havenā€™t you been paying attention? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/334 "2005-12-12T21:16:22Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Because Bush is a uniter, not a divider, and he wanted to bring Democrats to the region. Havenā€™t you been paying attention? I still thought it was so Cheney could make more money. How naive of me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097.md?page=16)