# Updike and New Iskander, it's a twofer tuesday! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 8, 2005, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097 "2005-11-08T20:42:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2005, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/141 "2005-11-12T05:56:54Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > Oh, and Mods, I am not calling **EddyTeddyFreddy** any verboten names, I’ts just that his/her behavior in post #30 sucks, and that particular quote from the FAQ backs up my point, IMHO. Snerk. No, of course you aren’t, dear. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2005, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/142 "2005-11-12T06:04:06Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Snerk. No, of course you aren’t, dear. Carry on. So why are you posting just to be confrontational, or to raise hackles, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2005, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/143 "2005-11-12T06:11:59Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Do you still think that after seeing him just write a post with virtually perfect grammar and syntax? Hell, he just used a semicolon, correctly! No, I suppose you’re right. That doesn’t really make sense. I actually don’t know how the inconsistency could be explained at all except for one explanation that wouldn’t be allowed and that I don’t really think is the case. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2005, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/144 "2005-11-12T06:12:18Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > From the FAQ: > > **Q: What is a troll? > A: “Troll,” in the context of message boards and the like, describes somebody who is posting just to be confrontational or to raise hackles.** > > In the context of this thread, how could **EddyTeddyFreddy** ’s post, # 30, NOT be described as “posting just to be confronational or to raise hackles”? > > Since you’re a moderator, could I have a clarification, please? First off, being a troll usually requires that one always or almost always posts in a confrontational mode. This hardly fits **EddyTeddyFreddy**. She can post some _really_ sappy shit. Search on her username if you don’t believe me. Second off, this is the Pit. To a large extent, the gloves are off here. Though I stated it quite sarcastically, my earlier post about using different forums for less insult laden discussion was on target. To sum up, **EddyTeddyFreddy** ’s post would have been completely and absolutely out of line in any other forum on the SDMB. In the BBQ Pit it is acceptable. Does this help to clear up your confusion? ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2005, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/145 "2005-11-12T06:18:43Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > In the BBQ Pit it is acceptable. Does this help to clear up your confusion? I guess it does, even if I don’t necessarily agree with it. Thanks for your help. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2005, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/146 "2005-11-12T06:56:21Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > **EddyTeddyFreddy**. She can post some _really_ sappy shit. “Sappy shit”? _ **"Sappy shit"???** _ You wound me, sirrah! :: sulks, plotting limerickification of **TYM** :: ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2005, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/147 "2005-11-12T07:17:59Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > From the FAQ: > > **Q: What is a troll? > A: “Troll,” in the context of message boards and the like, describes somebody who is posting just to be confrontational or to raise hackles.** > > In the context of this thread, how could **EddyTeddyFreddy** ’s post, # 30, NOT be described as “posting just to be confronational or to raise hackles”? The rule against trolling does not mean that no one can ever post anything meant to upset anyone else. It if did, we wouldn’t have the Pit at all, as it is often a place where people say rude things to each other which can be reasonably expected to raise hackles. Rather, as **This Year’s Model** said, it applies to someone who posts nothing but confrontational or abusive posts, which is clearly not the case with **EddyTeddyFreddy**. She sometimes posts limericks as well. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2005, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/148 "2005-11-12T08:11:21Z")
Simply amazing how you adressed almost all my points, except the most important one (political opportunism). ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2005, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/149 "2005-11-12T08:26:59Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > Simply amazing how you adressed almost all my points, except the most important one (political opportunism). Are you kidding? I cut the legs out from under every one of your premises, I figured I didn’t need to specifically debunk your conclusion if it was based on incorrect statements. You said > [@New Iskander](#): > > there is no logical explanation for celebrating Libby’s indictment while screaming about Cheney advocating giving free hand to CIA in treatment of secret prisoners at the same time; none, except the sheer political opportunism, I pointed out that there was, indeed, a logical reason other than that. Let me put it into something more systematic, then: 1. Spies who do not break the law deserve our protection. 2. Spies who break the law, in general, do not deserve our protection. 3. Thus, there are rational guidelines which would apply regardless of the politics involved. 4. The Democrats said we should protect a spy who did not break the law, and restrict the actions of spies who do break the law. 5. Therefore, the null hypothesis and the most parsimonious answer is that the Democrats acted in accord with the rational guidelines. 6. Since you have not disproven the null hypothesis, let alone given enough proof for your other hypothesis, the null hypothesis stands. QED. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Svinlesha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/22d042/32.png) [@Mr.Svinlesha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Svinlesha)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2005, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/150 "2005-11-12T08:33:34Z")
Dear **Pustule** : > [@](#): > > _ **Mr. Svin** , you were eating too much reindeer brains, you fucking moron. You bring up a thread that is almost 2 years old, where I was defending actions of US military into this one, which is based on my accusing local Dems of being too cozy with the CIA (lay off, FA). How brain-dead stupid is that?_ Actually this thread revolves around the rather self-evident proposition that you, dear **Pus** , are one of the two stupidest poster on the **SDMB**. Try re-reading the OP and – aw, never mind. You’re too fucking stupid to understand it. Anyway, bringing in evidence of your stupidity from other threads is, indeed, entirely relevant. It demonstrates, among other things, that your stupidity is a constant; two years here haven’t helped you in the least. > [@](#): > > _Did it also occur to you that during this time I might have had a change of mind? Perhaps I once had unhealthy desire seeing some dictator with droopy mustaches really suffer? Perhaps I got over it? Regretted it, even apologized for it? You sit there steeping your stupid indignation in reindeer offal concoctions, while the life goes on, you Saddam’s most devoted butt-licker!_ Actually, it hadn’t occurred to me. Please link to the apology you posted so that I can see it for myself. You might also want to apologize as well to all the people you offended in that thread with your ”unhealthy desire” (as you so euphemistically phrase it.) The photos from Abu Ghraib showed Iraqi prisoners forced to perform degrading acts or subjected to torture by American military personnel. You had some kind of wet dream fantasy that maybe one of those being torture was Saddam Hussein. But your desire to get your rocks off by clamping electrodes to Saddam’s privates is totally unrelated to the abuses at Abu Ghraib. Let’s just be clear: when you saw those photos, your first response was ”Yeah! Finally those bastards are getting what they deserve!” You were disturbed when you surfed into that thread and discovered no one else shared your point of view. Trying to defend that view afterwards as an ”unhealthy desire seeing some dictator with droopy mustaches really suffer” is pathetic and moronic. The only person who buys that defence is you. I am, however, genuinely glad to read that despise me so much. I wear the spite of people such as you like a badge of honor – people who support torture as governmental policy hate me! Know however that the feeling isn’t mutual. I don’t despise you, I just pity you. And think you’re the biggest moron on the SDMB, hands down, of course. > [@](#): > > \*There is no logical explanation for celebrating Libby’s indictment while screaming about Cheney advocating giving free hand to CIA in treatment of secret prisoners at the same time; none, except the sheer political opportunism, intended to turn everything into anti-Bush fest. > > Why do CIA agents deserve special protection? **Simply because they do dirty unpleasant difficult work for this nation, the kind of work not many have a stomach for.** \* See? There you go again. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2005, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/151 "2005-11-12T13:01:05Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > I used “highschool” because that’s what FinnAgain **said** in post #52. I guess he never got there, either, heh? > > If we’re doing spelling nit-picks, why didn’t you call him out? Idiot. 1. To be honest, I may not have noticed it because the lights are so dreadfully bright in here. I’m starting to feel slightly unwell. 2. I simply didn’t notice it. It happens. 3. I called you on it because you are being an ass in multiple threads and FinnAgain isn’t. 4)WAAAAAAAAAAALT! 1. I was seeing if I could get past Gauderes law. You can pick any combination of answers you want. By the way, covering for your typo by blaming it on someone else? :rolleyes: Even if it is true :rolleyes: . What’s even more lame is that that seems to be the best you can do. You can’t address the issues that earned you a pit thread. Your zingers seem to be lacking in zing. You make me sad…in my heart. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2005, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/152 "2005-11-12T16:45:16Z")
Yes. Every time Updike says something stupid, the baby Jesus cries. He’s pretty much doing some full-time wailing right about now…poor baby. Sam ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2005, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/153 "2005-11-12T18:44:30Z")
> [@Mr. Svinlesha](#): > > I don’t despise you, I just pity you. **Svintus** , you always had reindeer turd for brains. The only difference it used to be tepid and now it has frozen over. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2005, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/154 "2005-11-12T18:49:09Z")
> [@GaWd](#): > > Yes. Every time Updike says something stupid, the baby Jesus cries. He’s pretty much doing some full-time wailing right about now…poor baby. > > Sam And every time **New Iskander** posts, the baby Jesus kills a kitten. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2005, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/155 "2005-11-12T20:20:32Z")
Incidentally, what is that law some refer to? Intelligence Oversight Act of 1980, or something else? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2005, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/156 "2005-11-12T21:36:25Z")
See, this is one of the things I Pitted you for; you not doing research before you hold forth on topics. If you run a google search, you should be able to answer that question in about 10 seconds. You should also, then, have a bit of a basis for entering into debates on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2005, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/157 "2005-11-12T21:40:43Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > Incidentally, what is that law some refer to? Intelligence Oversight Act of 1980, or something else? Every time you open your mouth, the baby Cthulhu pukes. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/158 "2005-11-13T04:26:59Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > See, this is one of the things I Pitted you for; you not doing research before you hold forth on topics. If you run a google search, you should be able to answer that question in about 10 seconds. You should also, then, have a bit of a basis for entering into debates on the subject. Kindly take that bullshit back and eat it. **This Year Model** spoke about “the Law”, you spoke about “the Law”. Neither of you specified which “Law” you were talking about. Therefore, my question is perfectly fair. For dessert, tell me in simple terms, is your treatment of “affair Plame” marred with political opportunism or not. Please don’t lie this time. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/159 "2005-11-13T04:32:55Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > **This Year Model** spoke about “the Law”, you spoke about “the Law”. Neither of you specified which “Law” you were talking about. Therefore, my question is perfectly fair. Oh what the heck. Here’s the [law](http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/facttell/legislative_oversight.html). Don’t say I never gave ya nuttin’. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/160 "2005-11-13T04:43:38Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > **This Year Model** spoke about “the Law”, you spoke about “the Law”. Neither of you specified which “Law” you were talking about. Therefore, my question is perfectly fair. Again, no. And, again, that’s what you were Pitted for. 1. If you’d done a single minute of research before you spouted forth on this topic, you’d know what the law in question was. 2. If you weren’t dense, you’d know that someone can, in general, talk about someone breaking ‘the law’ without citing the entire penal code. > [@New Iskander](#): > > For dessert, tell me in simple terms, is your treatment of “affair Plame” marred with political opportunism or not. Please don’t lie this time. Fuck you. I’ve told you twice now, at least. Just because you’re stupid, doesn’t mean I’m lying. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097.md?page=9)