# Updike and New Iskander, it's a twofer tuesday! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 8, 2005, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097 "2005-11-08T20:42:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/161 "2005-11-13T06:13:03Z")
So, you can’t respond to my request and you can’t stop lying. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/162 "2005-11-13T06:13:47Z")
I’d have to start lying in order to stop lying, sugarpie. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Svinlesha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/22d042/32.png) [@Mr.Svinlesha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Svinlesha)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/163 "2005-11-13T06:55:17Z")
**Old Pustule** : I request for a second time now a link to the apology you claim to have made for the “unhealthy desires” you demonstrated in the thread about Abu Ghraib. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/164 "2005-11-13T07:16:59Z")
> [@Mr. Svinlesha](#): > > I request for a second time now a link to the apology you claim to have made for the “unhealthy desires” you demonstrated in the thread about Abu Ghraib. “Er… umm no hable ingles.” ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/165 "2005-11-13T07:18:10Z")
D’oh! That’ll teach me to attempt a witty response in a language I don’t speak. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/166 "2005-11-13T07:18:42Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > “Er… umm no hable ingles.” Or Spanish, by the looks of it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/167 "2005-11-13T07:20:08Z")
Ha-hah! Beat ya to it! ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/168 "2005-11-13T07:33:53Z")
> [@Mr. Svinlesha](#): > > **Old Pustule** : > > I request for a second time now a link to the apology you claim to have made for the “unhealthy desires” you demonstrated in the thread about Abu Ghraib. It’s buried deep within my heart. What a truly pathetic asshole you are. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/169 "2005-11-13T07:36:33Z")
So, um… are you making up the fact that you apologized, or not? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/170 "2005-11-13T07:49:21Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > D’oh! > That’ll teach me to attempt a witty response in a language I don’t speak. Which reminds me, I forgot to give you a translation: > [@](#): > > “…O most lamentable man!–of wit > You never had an atom, and of letters > You have three letters only!–they spell Ass!” Although in French original it sounds much better. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/171 "2005-11-13T07:59:44Z")
And that reminds **me** , got a cite for your alleged apology? Running a search under your user name for “apologize” and “torture” yields zero hits. Running a search under your user name for “wrong” and “torture” yields zero hits. Running a search under your user name for “incorrect” and “torture” yields zero hits. Running a search under your user name for “mistaken” and “torture” yields zero hits. Care to offer up a cite? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/172 "2005-11-13T10:16:06Z")
This is better then virtual sex! Although not as good as the real thing… Which reminds me… ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/173 "2005-11-13T20:52:36Z")
So, you gain some sort of sexual satisfaction from tossing out claims and having people react to them? I’ll ask again, where’s the cite for your alleged apology? Because right now it looks like you’re lying. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Svinlesha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/22d042/32.png) [@Mr.Svinlesha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Svinlesha)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/174 "2005-11-13T21:17:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*It’s buried deep within my heart. > > What a truly pathetic asshole you are.\* Okay, for those of you keeping score at home, please allow me to summarize. Post 1: **FinnAgain** starts a thread recommending **Old Pustule** as one of the two most idiotic posters currently active at the SDMB (no small honor, given that our community currently numbers almost 56 thousand members). Post 115: I post a link to something **Old Pus** wrote about a year ago, in which he demonstrated an unusually profound level of both stupidity and moral turpitude, to justify my vote for him, specifically, as the single most moronic poster currently active on this board. Post 122: Amid the invective, **Old Pus** claims to have regretted, and even apologized for, his “unhealthy desire” to attach electrodes to the privates of Iraqi detainees. He fakes mock dismay over the fact that I had not realized the depth of his remorse. _He knows, when he submits this post, that he is lying, and that he has in fact never apologized for his performance in that thread._ Post 150: I concede I was unaware that he had evinced remorse for the utterly execrable opinions he had previously expressed, or apologized for them. I ask him to provide a link to the apology, so that I might evaluate its weight and sincerity. Posts 153, 155, 158, and 161: **Old Pus** continues with his usual diarrheic posting style, studiously avoiding my request. In the last post (161), _fully aware that he has himself already lied in this thread,_ he accuses **FinnAgain** of lying, when he ( **Finn** ) clearly has not. Post 163: I repeat my request for a link to the apology **Pus** claims to have issued. Post 168: **Pus** concedes that he doesn’t actually have a cite, and this therefore makes me a “pathetic asshole.” First off, **Pus** , I hope you realize (although I suspect you don’t) that at this point, the only person who comes off as a pathetic asshole in this exchange is you. Secondly, I would like to submit the exchange above as my second piece of evidence that **Pus** really is a very special sort of idiot, the kind you don’t come across every day. After all, he tells a bald-faced, easily traceable lie and within the space of 40 posts has gone on to accuse someone else of lying. This kind of behavior is more than just a little stupid; it’s a very special kind stupid. Monumental stupidity, perhaps. There’s this great Swedish put-down, one that begs for a decent translation but unfortunately does not yield to English: _intelligence befriad_, they say, when something is “entirely free of any semblance of intelligent thought.” Liberated, as it were, from the constraints of intelligence. You, dear **Pus** , are the personification of that phrase. Soldier on! You’ve long since liberated yourself from the constraints of anything resembling intelligent discourse. And after your performance in this thread, you’ve definitely got my vote. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/175 "2005-11-13T21:59:54Z")
OK, idiot **Svintus** , I’ll explain one more time. What you should have done was to ask, “Esteemed **NI** , do you still stand by those statements you made 2 years ago, and if so, why?” Depending on my answer you could proceed to treat me accordingly. Simple, isn’t it? And yes, I did have a change of mind. What about you, most devoted Saddam’s butt polisher? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2005, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/176 "2005-11-13T22:05:29Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > So, you gain some sort of sexual satisfaction from tossing out claims and having people react to them? > > I’ll ask again, where’s the cite for your alleged apology? > Because right now it looks like you’re lying. Please. It was late and I was watching James Bond movies and drinking vodka martinis… suffice it to say, this morning I respected myself a liittle less then usual… _sapienti sat_. There is a post in which I said that I wish Abu Ghraib never happened, but I can’t find it. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2005, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/177 "2005-11-14T00:03:21Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > There is a post in which I said that I wish Abu Ghraib never happened, but I can’t find it. I wonder why that might be. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2005, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/178 "2005-11-14T00:43:11Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I wonder why that might be. Can’t recall the thread, but here’s [another one](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6294122&postcount=88). ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2005, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/179 "2005-11-14T00:59:09Z")
Nope, doesn’t cut it. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2005, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097/180 "2005-11-14T02:41:50Z")
Whaddya mean, “doesn’t cut it”?! It’s practically “_la indulgencia_”, remission of temporal punishment for all sins! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/updike-and-new-iskander-its-a-twofer-tuesday/330097.md?page=10)